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Trade deal failure

The PM has made a U-turn and now refuses ruling out leaving the Brexit transition period without securing a trade deal.
Johnson believes the high risk gamble may help him to secure a better trade agreement but this action is causing some unrest within UK businesses.
The PM has recently refused to commiting to fulfilling terms of the Brexit transition period with Europe.

The UK gov had set a Separate 2020 deadline for completing a trade deal. A spokesperson for the gov had said talks could not continue into the Autumn.
And the UK could now walk away with no deal.


PM Johnson's claim a deal could be brought quickly now looks unlikely if other nations choose to play hardball in negotiations.

Already France and Germany have made their position clear that any deal would be based on the UK aligning itself very closely to current EU rules.

Will the government now fail to provide the trade agreement it promised was possible during the election campaign making the consequence of Brexit a minefield for all?

posted on 20/7/20

At least this time we can put the full blame on Boris over his handling of Brexit. With 80 seats majority, he cannot say his hand was tied and MPs forced him to ask for extension instead of trying to negotiate using No deal blackmail tactic.

posted on 20/7/20

comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 25 seconds ago
At least this time we can put the full blame on Boris over his handling of Brexit. With 80 seats majority, he cannot say his hand was tied and MPs forced him to ask for extension instead of trying to negotiate using No deal blackmail tactic.
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They've already started to position themselves to blame the EU (which to be fair started on day 1 of his tenure).

Then of course they can blame the devolved governments for pushing back against their 'internal market' thing that they're trying to force through.

posted on 20/7/20

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 25 seconds ago
At least this time we can put the full blame on Boris over his handling of Brexit. With 80 seats majority, he cannot say his hand was tied and MPs forced him to ask for extension instead of trying to negotiate using No deal blackmail tactic.
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They've already started to position themselves to blame the EU (which to be fair started on day 1 of his tenure).

Then of course they can blame the devolved governments for pushing back against their 'internal market' thing that they're trying to force through.
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It''s so obvious isn't it. Even Brexiteers cannot defend that position - blaming EU for asking UK follow the agreement deal which Boris signed for himself

posted on 20/7/20

comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 25 seconds ago
At least this time we can put the full blame on Boris over his handling of Brexit. With 80 seats majority, he cannot say his hand was tied and MPs forced him to ask for extension instead of trying to negotiate using No deal blackmail tactic.
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They've already started to position themselves to blame the EU (which to be fair started on day 1 of his tenure).

Then of course they can blame the devolved governments for pushing back against their 'internal market' thing that they're trying to force through.
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It''s so obvious isn't it. Even Brexiteers cannot defend that position - blaming EU for asking UK follow the agreement deal which Boris signed for himself
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The ERG are livid. Mark Francois penned a letter (as ERG chair) to Barnier asking the EU to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement.

Francois ignoring the point that he (and the ERG) voted for it. Either they didn't bother reading it, or didn't understand it - probably both. For a group calling itself the European Research Group, they've continually demonstrated a lack of research/understanding on EU matters.

posted on 20/7/20

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posted on 20/7/20

comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this seriously) (U1850)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Re... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 25 seconds ago
At least this time we can put the full blame on Boris over his handling of Brexit. With 80 seats majority, he cannot say his hand was tied and MPs forced him to ask for extension instead of trying to negotiate using No deal blackmail tactic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

They've already started to position themselves to blame the EU (which to be fair started on day 1 of his tenure).

Then of course they can blame the devolved governments for pushing back against their 'internal market' thing that they're trying to force through.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It''s so obvious isn't it. Even Brexiteers cannot defend that position - blaming EU for asking UK follow the agreement deal which Boris signed for himself
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The ERG are livid. Mark Francois penned a letter (as ERG chair) to Barnier asking the EU to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement.

Francois ignoring the point that he (and the ERG) voted for it. Either they didn't bother reading it, or didn't understand it - probably both. For a group calling itself the European Research Group, they've continually demonstrated a lack of research/understanding on EU matters.
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Reading something into what they call themselves is a tad flawed
FFS they saw and heard François and elected him their leader
It’s like me starting a Party called
The Good Lookin Smart Bastirt Party
I fit none of the criteria
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Nearly as outrageous as appointing Failing Grayling to chair the Intelligence Unit.

posted on 20/7/20

comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this seriously) (U1850)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Ireland-Kenya Re... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 25 seconds ago
At least this time we can put the full blame on Boris over his handling of Brexit. With 80 seats majority, he cannot say his hand was tied and MPs forced him to ask for extension instead of trying to negotiate using No deal blackmail tactic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

They've already started to position themselves to blame the EU (which to be fair started on day 1 of his tenure).

Then of course they can blame the devolved governments for pushing back against their 'internal market' thing that they're trying to force through.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It''s so obvious isn't it. Even Brexiteers cannot defend that position - blaming EU for asking UK follow the agreement deal which Boris signed for himself
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The ERG are livid. Mark Francois penned a letter (as ERG chair) to Barnier asking the EU to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement.

Francois ignoring the point that he (and the ERG) voted for it. Either they didn't bother reading it, or didn't understand it - probably both. For a group calling itself the European Research Group, they've continually demonstrated a lack of research/understanding on EU matters.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reading something into what they call themselves is a tad flawed
FFS they saw and heard François and elected him their leader
It’s like me starting a Party called
The Good Lookin Smart Bastirt Party
I fit none of the criteria
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Hard to believe their "research" has been funded by the UK tax payer!

posted on 20/7/20

There was a lot of talk about an auto checking service where spot checks only would occur. Meaning the system becomes an online anything to declare system with occasional checks to challenge. I was under the impression this was still intended. Even if not eloquent in its delivery.
I would agree the blame for not being ready to deliver a trade agreement can only fall at one door. No. 10 Downing Street. The PM had the cabinet and the numbers to deliver something here but due to a world crisis this has fallen by the way side. If the internal market system doesn’t have universal approval then it shouldn’t be delivered. But our PM agreed to this so we know where to assign blame if required.
For me Boris has been more of the same as we got from May. He refuses to take action unless public opinion advocates it. He delivered May’s exit deal without too many changes there. He now avoids comments to the press.
I expect the government to blame the EU for failures, doesn’t mean I believe it.

I hope given the press received for Brexit the country are told how the trade talks have been handled and delivered. Or not as th case may be

posted on 20/7/20

comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 5 hours, 27 minutes ago
At least this time we can put the full blame on Boris over his handling of Brexit. With 80 seats majority, he cannot say his hand was tied and MPs forced him to ask for extension instead of trying to negotiate using No deal blackmail tactic.
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posted on 20/7/20

The automated checks is more nonsense from the same people who devised borders 2.0 for NI. A border that would be invisible and at the same time carry out enforcement checks on goods and commodities.

Screening can certainly aide/streamline processes but in many areas physical checks are a requirement, hence why large areas of Kent are to become lorry parks.

The biggest obstacles have been self inflicted. Imposing a rigid timeline in which to negotiate a trade agreement is a world first.

A bit like a surgical procedure. If it takes for example 7hrs to complete heart operation, you wouldn't seek to limit the time to 1hr - just to "focus minds."

The operation may be successful. But you stand a better chance of it succeeding if the appropriate time and care is given to it, rather than trying to rush it through asap.

This is a decent guide of progress from the commission:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/european-union-and-united-kingdom-forging-new-partnership/future-partnership/negotiation-rounds-future-partnership-between-european-union-and-united-kingdom_en

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