We have this ongoing debate on here about our lack of winning trophies and how that is more important than league positions.
Well, on the back of one of our worst league performances in years, it struck me that I would still take 2019-20 over 2007-08 (when we last won a trophy).
In 2007-08 we finished 11th in the league and some THIRTY points behind 4th place. Incidentally, Blackburn, Villa, Portsmouth and West Ham all finished above us that year.
In contrast, we finished 6th this year and qualified for European football, despite what was definitely a disappointing campaign. We were also only 7 points off 4th place.
So it will be interesting to see what I fans think was the better season. 2007-08 when we last won a trophy or 2019-20 when we didn’t’?
Vote:
Five stars for 2019-20
One star for 2007-08
2007-08 Vs. 2019-20
posted on 29/7/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 7 minutes ago
Dybala has claimed conversations were made between Juventus and Spurs / United. It was never “close “ to happening. It was Levy getting his bald willy out pretending to be part of the big boys, without actually doing anything. Typical of a spurs transfer.
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Unpleasant image.
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What levy’s bald co** ???
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Yeah. His very own Mini-Me.
posted on 29/7/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 7 minutes ago
Dybala has claimed conversations were made between Juventus and Spurs / United. It was never “close “ to happening. It was Levy getting his bald willy out pretending to be part of the big boys, without actually doing anything. Typical of a spurs transfer.
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Unpleasant image.
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What levy’s bald co** ???
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Yeah. His very own Mini-Me.
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you know for a fact he shaves his a** hole to. Bald all over
posted on 29/7/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 7 minutes ago
Dybala has claimed conversations were made between Juventus and Spurs / United. It was never “close “ to happening. It was Levy getting his bald willy out pretending to be part of the big boys, without actually doing anything. Typical of a spurs transfer.
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Unpleasant image.
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What levy’s bald co** ???
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Yeah. His very own Mini-Me.
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you know for a fact he shaves his a** hole to. Bald all over
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That's enough of thinking about Levy's anatomy for one day.
posted on 29/7/20
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
the organic growth of the club has to be admired under Levy.... dragged us from mid table nobodies to a serious outfit, on and off the pitch...... but now is the time that we need to actually push to win things...
we have totally sold out as a club, rightly or wrongly, whoring out our stadium to whoever wants it... and this absurb decision to do the amazon doc for some profile / money....
have to deliver in next couple of years, or take me back to old WHL with a rocking 36k capacity
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So in one breath you want us to push on and win things.
in the other you then criticise the club for taking in 10s of millions from secondary use of the stadium, amazon etc. I dont see anyone criticising City for the amazon gig, or Juve, and it didnt affect their relentless winning so what is the basis of your criticism?
and if Lady Gaga & Guns & Roses play at the new WHL over the summer and a couple NFL games, how is this a bid thing. You want us to compete and push on, surely more millions in the bank will only help this
Do you really expect a club to spend 100s of millions on a stadium to be used every other week for 9 months of the year? all so we can say new WHL is a scared home for football and nothing else.
You seem confused, do you want us to have lofty ambitions to compete at the top, or prefer us to be back in the pack with Everton, NUFC, West Ham where we will never compete and destined to lose any good player we unearth.
posted on 29/7/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
the organic growth of the club has to be admired under Levy.... dragged us from mid table nobodies to a serious outfit, on and off the pitch...... but now is the time that we need to actually push to win things...
we have totally sold out as a club, rightly or wrongly, whoring out our stadium to whoever wants it... and this absurb decision to do the amazon doc for some profile / money....
have to deliver in next couple of years, or take me back to old WHL with a rocking 36k capacity
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So in one breath you want us to push on and win things.
in the other you then criticise the club for taking in 10s of millions from secondary use of the stadium, amazon etc. I dont see anyone criticising City for the amazon gig, or Juve, and it didnt affect their relentless winning so what is the basis of your criticism?
and if Lady Gaga & Guns & Roses play at the new WHL over the summer and a couple NFL games, how is this a bid thing. You want us to compete and push on, surely more millions in the bank will only help this
Do you really expect a club to spend 100s of millions on a stadium to be used every other week for 9 months of the year? all so we can say new WHL is a scared home for football and nothing else.
You seem confused, do you want us to have lofty ambitions to compete at the top, or prefer us to be back in the pack with Everton, NUFC, West Ham where we will never compete and destined to lose any good player we unearth.
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That’s the problem with Chronic at times Devonshire. He likes to sit on both sided of the fence. One fence where he’s critical of Levy ( only recently ) and one fence where’s he’s rimming Levy dry. With me you get one thing and the same thing for years. Levy’s a bald tight c***!!!! #levyout #enicout
posted on 29/7/20
It is a shame for Levy because a lot of the last 10 years has built up to this moment when our infrastructure is simply awesome, our financial potential is on another level, and yet we/he have to sit here and wait to reap the fruits of our labour.
posted on 29/7/20
Devonshire, he’s done half a job mate. It’s the equivalent of someone building up a fantastic business. You have all the staff, base and foundations all in place, but you don’t sell or make profit. What good is that ? Same with Spurs. A great foundation, structure and business side, but absolutely f** all to show for it. Levy has failed in my opinion.
posted on 29/7/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
Devonshire, he’s done half a job mate. It’s the equivalent of someone building up a fantastic business. You have all the staff, base and foundations all in place, but you don’t sell or make profit. What good is that ? Same with Spurs. A great foundation, structure and business side, but absolutely f** all to show for it. Levy has failed in my opinion.
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I agree, the job is half done (probably more than half). but we do not have F-all to show for it. If you take the premier league years, before ENIC arrived we were the very definition of average having never ended in the bottom 6 or top 6. Mid table mediocrity for a decade+. The season before ENIC took over we ended 12th. Then 9th, 10th, 14th & 9th.
It was only when Jol took charge that we began to really make progress with top 5 and pushing for UCL. His unfair sacking lead to Ramos and while this saw the only trophy in the last 12 years, we ended 11th, started the next season awfull and Redknapp saved us to 8th. Since then it has been top 6 and laterly top 4 consistently.
When you look at the clubs around us in late 90s/early 00s, and also some of the clubs pushing at the top end then there is the likes of Everton, Villa, Bolton, Newcastle, Ipswich, Leeds, Sheff. Wed, Derby, Sunderland, Blackburn, West Ham
We have elevated ourselves to the top 6 and enjoy a 15th season in Europe in 16 seasons.
When you look at where these other clubs are and have been then few have maintained their EPL status, some are in financial melt down and we have avoided this through good stewardship, and not just avoided it but continued the upward curve.
Yes i totally agree we should have won more stuff but because we have improved so much, and to a consistent high level, success is the expectation....but that improvement is significantly due to the ownership and they are guilty of raising our expectations.
We have not delivered on this partially because of ownership but it goes deeper than that IMO. The clubs culture and status has never allowed a winning attitude until more recently and even then the likes of Redknapp & Poch have failed to deliver and the same failings keep cropping up (lost SFs etc).
To bridge the gap the stadium and all that flows from it is key and unfortunately that is now on hold. The question of whether ENIC/Levy have taken us as far as they can cannot really be answered until we see how things pan out in the post-new WHL era. Our finances will be massively boosted by it and whether we can use that funding well enough to make the jump to the very top remains to be seen, but i feel like Levy has earned that opportunity.
ps...so Spursy that just as we start to reap the rewards from the new WHL there's a global pandemic which completely negates any financial advantage we hoped to gain.
posted on 29/7/20
Eh? I am simply saying that now that the infrastructure is complete and the club has sold out in order to maximise revenue, there is now no excuse for future underperformance of the football club in its primary objective - to win football matches and trophies.
No confusion here.
posted on 29/7/20
what do you mean by sold out. it is a negative term and a criticism.