Fullbacks

Bruno is crap at taking corners, set pieces (not shots at goal) and crossing, too. Normally straight at their first man.

Just like Giggs.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Kimmich was a central midfielder I believe, he’s as good a full back as I’ve seen, so well rounded.

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I haven't watched him often, but the little I have seen of him, he's great going forward though at times suspect when he has to defend.

comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
Bruno is crap at taking corners, set pieces (not shots at goal) and crossing, too. Normally straight at their first man.

Just like Giggs.
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And (sigh) he's probably still the best corner taker we have. Not one of them can hit a corner properly. No wonder we normally take them short

comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
Kimmich was a central midfielder I believe, he’s as good a full back as I’ve seen, so well rounded.

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I haven't watched him often, but the little I have seen of him, he's great going forward though at times suspect when he has to defend.
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Yeah, you can say that about Davies, TAA etc too in fairness. Their primary role is as an attacking outlet.

comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
Bruno is crap at taking corners, set pieces (not shots at goal) and crossing, too. Normally straight at their first man.

Just like Giggs.
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And (sigh) he's probably still the best corner taker we have. Not one of them can hit a corner properly. No wonder we normally take them short
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We've always been terrible from corners. Remember Phil Jones was taking them for a while

comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 8 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
Bruno is crap at taking corners, set pieces (not shots at goal) and crossing, too. Normally straight at their first man.

Just like Giggs.
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And (sigh) he's probably still the best corner taker we have. Not one of them can hit a corner properly. No wonder we normally take them short
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Most teams hit the majority of their corners at the near post, looking for a flick-on, because statistically, it’s the most likely way to score from a corner. The result is going to be a defender heading the ball away the vast majority of the time. But it still provides you with the best chance of scoring.

The truth is that across the top European leagues (and the PL is not very different), ballpark 3.5% of corners lead directly to goals. Teams exceptional at set pieces can get that up to 6% or 7%, but they are real outliers.

Mourinho had this to say to Gabriele Marcotti when he arrived in England:

“How many countries can you think of where a corner kick is treated with the same applause as a goal? One. It only ever happens in England."

His point was that the English have been slow to cotton on to the fact that although a corner kick is a chance to retain possession in the opposition half, much like a throw-in, it isn’t really an incredibly useful goalscoring opportunity.

His point was that the English have been slow to cotton on to the fact that although a corner kick is a chance to retain possession in the opposition half, much like a throw-in, it isn’t really an incredibly useful goalscoring opportunity.

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We spent 90 million on a Slabhead because 'of his ability to attack the ball in the air'.

It's a very crude tactic... but if you are going to do it you need to 'put it in the mixer' to give it a chance. This means not hitting their first defender on the near post from corner kicks.

Our giraffes such as Maguire, Linderloff, Bailly, Matic, Pogba, all have a very poor goal scoring return from set pieces. Something Ole and his staff need to look at.

Rosso that's interesting and makes sense when you look at the statistics.

I suppose from a utd perspective we always seemed dangerous from corners during the fergie years and our CB'S regularly managed to get some goals throughout a season.
2 of our most famous goals originated from Beckham corners.
I've noticed it's been a source of unfair criticism, given the poor delivery, directed at McGuire that he hasn't managed to get the odd goals from corner kicks.

We just need to get becks back I suppose

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 37 seconds ago
Rosso that's interesting and makes sense when you look at the statistics.

I suppose from a utd perspective we always seemed dangerous from corners during the fergie years and our CB'S regularly managed to get some goals throughout a season.
2 of our most famous goals originated from Beckham corners.
I've noticed it's been a source of unfair criticism, given the poor delivery, directed at McGuire that he hasn't managed to get the odd goals from corner kicks.

We just need to get becks back I suppose
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I think defending of corners is a lot better than it used to be. It really isn’t incredibly difficult to do, particularly now the statisticians have picked the art apart.

There are some fascinatingly counterintuitive things fall out of the numbers. For example, you are statistically less likely to concede from a corner kick if you *don’t* put a defender on either post. You’re better off using all the players you make available defensively trying to prevent the opposition connecting with the ball on the first or second touch than trying to block an attempt.

Also, statistically, there is zero difference between man to man and zonal marking from corner kicks.

comment by rosso - for your protection, we’ve installed this camera (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 37 seconds ago
Rosso that's interesting and makes sense when you look at the statistics.

I suppose from a utd perspective we always seemed dangerous from corners during the fergie years and our CB'S regularly managed to get some goals throughout a season.
2 of our most famous goals originated from Beckham corners.
I've noticed it's been a source of unfair criticism, given the poor delivery, directed at McGuire that he hasn't managed to get the odd goals from corner kicks.

We just need to get becks back I suppose
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I think defending of corners is a lot better than it used to be. It really isn’t incredibly difficult to do, particularly now the statisticians have picked the art apart.

There are some fascinatingly counterintuitive things fall out of the numbers. For example, you are statistically less likely to concede from a corner kick if you *don’t* put a defender on either post. You’re better off using all the players you make available defensively trying to prevent the opposition connecting with the ball on the first or second touch than trying to block an attempt.

Also, statistically, there is zero difference between man to man and zonal marking from corner kicks.
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That’s also interesting.

Regarding the OP, I’ve said a couple of times that I do think we need better fullback offensively. It’s an important aspect of the current game as without threats down the wing the opposition can just pack the centre and make it very difficult. We need to overload and create space.

I also agree with earlier comments that this all seemed to start with LVG, my god those days were depressing at times.