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Bielsa v Santo

Who is the better coach?
Both of them have revolutionised their clubs and are unquestioned in terms of authority. They are neck and neck in points per game - an astonishing 1.81 for Santo, and an even better 1.83 for Bielsa. Both took over sleepy, mid-championship teams and turned them around, although Leeds fans argue that Santo did it courtesy of a dodgy agent, bending the rules to bring in world-class footballers. Wolves fans will say that the team that got them out of the Championship was the best that league had ever seen. Santo has been at Wolves since July 2017, Bielsa joined Leeds a year later. Santo does have the better managerial record overall, with consistently high ppm for whichever team he manages. However, when you look at what Bielsa has achieved with Leeds, with relatively modest resources, you have to be impressed. Both are great managers, but who is better?

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

comment by ☠ Tube of Lies ☕ (U16473)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
Nuno has a 100% record so far this season, whereas Bielsa is still looking to collect a point.

Other than that, there are similarities maybe. 👍
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how many will you score at anfield?

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

I bet we won't concede 4.

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

Wolves had a top 6 prem team in the championship, even I would do what Santos Nunos did. You bought success, we reated it via Bielsa..no comparison. You can keep you your man

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

comment by Hereford Wolf (U8993)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
Probably best to ignore Uncle Herbert, biggest wum on this site and talks mostly cr@p.

The acquisition by Nuno of established ‘world class’ players to win the Championship is mostly a media myth, and Leeds fans should know about those. Let’s look at what he really did it with.
This was the basis of that side.
Ruddy - released by Norwich taken on a free, same goes for Ryan Bennett. Doherty, Saiss, Coady, already at the club when he arrived, hadn’t pulled up any trees previously, all low transfer fees. Douglas, minimal fee from some unknown Turkish side. Gibbs White, Batth, came through our youth. N’Diaye (previously on loan at Hull), Miranda (Rio Ave), both minimal costs. Bonatini came from a Saudi side, I think £5 million. Of the 4 that cost around £10 million, Cavaleiro, Costa, had about 20 senior appearances each at their respective clubs before joining, Jota never played a senior Athletico Madrid and had been on loan to Porto and Boly had only made 10 appearances for Porto in his 2 seasons there. Hardly ‘world class’ and doubt they would have been easily found on football manager. Neves was probably the only signing with a decent reputation, and I’d argue he was up and coming at Porto rather than an established player. He also cost us £4 million pound less than Bielsa paid us for Costa.

We hardly took our pick of European superstars. Myth.

Since we have been in the Premiership we have broken the £20 million bracket twice, once for Jiménez, who has been superb, and more recently for an 18 year old Portuguesa who is yet to kick a ball.

Bielsa is a great tactician and has a renowned reputation I agree, but don’t underestimate Nuno’s abilities. I wouldn’t swap him for anyone at the moment. Nuno doesn’t have to sit on a bucket, live above a shop and walk to the training ground to look humble, he is humble, and one of the best upcoming managers in world football.
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Interesting comments. Bielsa has also developed players. Ayling, Cooper, Phillips, and Klich were nowhere as effective as they are now. The differences are his style of play - we are football buccaneers. It is customary for Leeds teams to put their fans through the emotional rollercoaster, but we do it with style and, when we get it right, it is exhilirating to be a part of. That is part of why we love him so much. The other aspect of Bielsa, and I don't think this applies so much to Santo, is that he has single-handedly changed the ethos of our club and our management. In one of his first games, he got the players to clean the dugout after a game, to make them appreciate how privileged they are. He demanded improvements in our training facilities and got them, right down to the light fittings. He has improved the club's engagement with the community and he is the driver behind Leeds' growth in the past two years. Nothing happens without his say so. So, for Leeds fans, he personifies who we are. As good as Santo is, he is primarily a coach, albeit a fine one. Bielsa is a coach and much more.

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

comment by All the Bielsa ringing (U19827)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Hereford Wolf (U8993)
posted 7 hours, 21 minutes ago
Probably best to ignore Uncle Herbert, biggest wum on this site and talks mostly cr@p.

The acquisition by Nuno of established ‘world class’ players to win the Championship is mostly a media myth, and Leeds fans should know about those. Let’s look at what he really did it with.
This was the basis of that side.
Ruddy - released by Norwich taken on a free, same goes for Ryan Bennett. Doherty, Saiss, Coady, already at the club when he arrived, hadn’t pulled up any trees previously, all low transfer fees. Douglas, minimal fee from some unknown Turkish side. Gibbs White, Batth, came through our youth. N’Diaye (previously on loan at Hull), Miranda (Rio Ave), both minimal costs. Bonatini came from a Saudi side, I think £5 million. Of the 4 that cost around £10 million, Cavaleiro, Costa, had about 20 senior appearances each at their respective clubs before joining, Jota never played a senior Athletico Madrid and had been on loan to Porto and Boly had only made 10 appearances for Porto in his 2 seasons there. Hardly ‘world class’ and doubt they would have been easily found on football manager. Neves was probably the only signing with a decent reputation, and I’d argue he was up and coming at Porto rather than an established player. He also cost us £4 million pound less than Bielsa paid us for Costa.

We hardly took our pick of European superstars. Myth.

Since we have been in the Premiership we have broken the £20 million bracket twice, once for Jiménez, who has been superb, and more recently for an 18 year old Portuguesa who is yet to kick a ball.

Bielsa is a great tactician and has a renowned reputation I agree, but don’t underestimate Nuno’s abilities. I wouldn’t swap him for anyone at the moment. Nuno doesn’t have to sit on a bucket, live above a shop and walk to the training ground to look humble, he is humble, and one of the best upcoming managers in world football.
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Interesting comments. Bielsa has also developed players. Ayling, Cooper, Phillips, and Klich were nowhere as effective as they are now. The differences are his style of play - we are football buccaneers. It is customary for Leeds teams to put their fans through the emotional rollercoaster, but we do it with style and, when we get it right, it is exhilirating to be a part of. That is part of why we love him so much. The other aspect of Bielsa, and I don't think this applies so much to Santo, is that he has single-handedly changed the ethos of our club and our management. In one of his first games, he got the players to clean the dugout after a game, to make them appreciate how privileged they are. He demanded improvements in our training facilities and got them, right down to the light fittings. He has improved the club's engagement with the community and he is the driver behind Leeds' growth in the past two years. Nothing happens without his say so. So, for Leeds fans, he personifies who we are. As good as Santo is, he is primarily a coach, albeit a fine one. Bielsa is a coach and much more.
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But when Leeds get it wrong, you are the biggest moaners there is.
You can't have it both ways.

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

Not a lot in it i don't think, be interesting to see how Bielsa does this season. IF you guys get a top ten finish then he deserves huge credit.

Bielsa is well respected and has done a good job at several clubs while Nuno has had a few short stints up til now but perhaps harshly treated in his previous jobs.

Lets see how this season pans out. I expect us to be around ten points ahead of you by the end.

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

comment by Cinciwolf---Wolves-4th best side in the countr... (U11551)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not a lot in it i don't think, be interesting to see how Bielsa does this season. IF you guys get a top ten finish then he deserves huge credit.

Bielsa is well respected and has done a good job at several clubs while Nuno has had a few short stints up til now but perhaps harshly treated in his previous jobs.

Lets see how this season pans out. I expect us to be around ten points ahead of you by the end.
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Will be interesting to see how they do in the cup competitions too.

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

Thought Leeds were excellent against Hull. That Rodrigo is going to be a handful for Premier League defences this season.

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

comment by Uncle Herbert (U16263)
posted 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
Thought Leeds were excellent against Hull. That Rodrigo is going to be a handful for Premier League defences this season.
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fook me , what a tozzer !

prem defences are going to love rodrigo, he gives away a stupid penalty first game and cant score apart from the penalty shoot out against ull under 23s second game
what a joke

posted 6 days, 15 hours ago

So Leeds fans think Bielsa. Wolves fans think Nuno. What a surprise.

Interesting this false perception that we had a top six Prem team in the championship though. Given Costa and Douglas now play for Leeds , Cavaleiro for Fulham, Bonatini couldn't get a game on loan at Forest, Bennett and Ruddy had been released from Norwich (who were in the Championship), Coady and Saiss were already here etc. Literally only really Neves, Jota and Boly could possible be considered coups; but those had all hardly played for their clubs when we signed them.

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