Manchester:
Ederson
Walker Maguire Laporte Shaw
Fernandinho
De Bruyne Pogba
Bruno Fernandes
Aguero Sterling
Liverpool:
Alisson
Alexander-Arnold Gomez Van Dijk Digne
Allan Thiago
Richarlison Rodriguez Mane
Salah
London:
Lloris
James Skriniar Silva Reguilon
Kante
Havertz Kovacic
Aubameyang Kane Son
Which one is best?
Manchester/Liverpool/London teams
posted on 25/9/20
Yes because, believe it or not, players can improve under better managers. As I have said to you before and even used the example of Milner himself, you don't have to stand out in a side to be a good player, but he is consistently good at this level that's why he plays.
What I don't understand is why you're arguing about how "poor" Henderson is even though he plays whenever he is fit. If he was that average, he wouldn't be playing. If he was being carried by his teammates, he wouldn't be playing. Top sides like Liverpool at the moment don't have passengers in their sides.
posted on 25/9/20
It's like when Chelsea won the title with Gary Cahill starting at CB. Sometimes you have an average player that does their job well enough and fits in well in the team. That doesn't mean they're a good player. Take them out of that top team and put them in an average team or even a less good team and they won't look as good.
And Henderson was alraedy in his prime when Klopp came. I don't believe he had some hidden potential Klopp unleashed, I think he just looks good in Klopp's team with Klopp's system with the players he has around him. Why does Henderson never play as well for England as he does for Liverpool if he's improved so much with Klopp then?
posted on 25/9/20
Just accept you don't understand football Wahl. This is why you still think Mourinho is a top manager.
posted on 25/9/20
I don't think I'm alone is saying I think Henderson is an average player.
posted on 25/9/20
What a wahlticle
posted on 25/9/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 36 minutes ago
It's like when Chelsea won the title with Gary Cahill starting at CB. Sometimes you have an average player that does their job well enough and fits in well in the team. That doesn't mean they're a good player. Take them out of that top team and put them in an average team or even a less good team and they won't look as good.
And Henderson was alraedy in his prime when Klopp came. I don't believe he had some hidden potential Klopp unleashed, I think he just looks good in Klopp's team with Klopp's system with the players he has around him. Why does Henderson never play as well for England as he does for Liverpool if he's improved so much with Klopp then?
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That would and does make Cahill a good defender though if he does his job well in a good team. You underrate the value of reliability on the football pitch massively. It's almost as if you think if somebody doesn't have the stats then they aren't a good player.
Klopp has clearly improved Henderson's game, so that in itself is hidden potential. Henderson probably doesn't play as well for England because he isn't playing under a manager that is as good as what Klopp is. The way a player plays and develops comes down to the manager a lot of the time.
Calvert-Lewin looked bang average at Everton under previous managers up until Ancelotti has arrived. Now Ancelotti is around, his game is fast developing and he's looking like a really promising player who only looks set to improve. Just because you're an average player once, doesn't mean you always will be.
posted on 25/9/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think I'm alone is saying I think Henderson is an average player.
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Aren't you? Surely there aren't two people clueless about football on a football forum?
posted on 25/9/20
If you're happy with Henderson then that's none of my business, but he is still an average player that wouldn't start for City, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich for example. Klopp never would have bought Henderson, the only reason he's in the team is because he was there to begin with and Klopp's attempts to upgrade on him have failed so far.
posted on 25/9/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
If you're happy with Henderson then that's none of my business, but he is still an average player that wouldn't start for City, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich for example. Klopp never would have bought Henderson, the only reason he's in the team is because he was there to begin with and Klopp's attempts to upgrade on him have failed so far.
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Do you assume he wouldn't start for these sides because of his name though? I mean I'm not saying he would start for these sides because they clearly have fantastic players in them positions, but I remember once Sam Allardyce said if he was called "Allardicio" then he'd be branded as a masterful tactician. Would the same apply to Henderson? Would Henderon be a fantastic ball player if he was called "Hendinho" for example? Just a query.
Klopp may not have bought half the players he has so far that were already present in this squad. But the squad has changed that much over the last 3/4 years that the fact that whoever remains from when he first arrived (the likes of Henderson, Origi, Firmino etc) speaks volumes of the impact they have on the squad. Like I've said before, if he wasn't good enough, he'd have gone like the rest of them.
posted on 25/9/20
Klopp has changed every player in the first eleven, apart from Henderson and Firmino. This is because they are top players and didn't need changed. They then won trophies.