when Fergie joined the club back in 86, the club was a mess.
the dressing room was full of piiiiss heads and crocks, the youth team was non existent and a lot of work needed to be done.
Fergie discussed in his book how rather than wanting to build a good first team he wanted to rebuild the club from the bottom, and work his way up ensuring a long term future for the club.
over a short period of time we seem to have signed quite a few young and talented players who could have great futures if things go to plan ( not always the case i know)
now before anyone starts biiitching and saying "bb bbb bbbut you cant mention fergie and ole in the same sentence" im not comparing them in terms of managerial skills.
this is in no way a post to try and defend Ole, Ed of the Glazers, but the fact is we have spent heavily on youth can not be denied.
there does seem to be a few similarities in what the club seem to be doing now, and what they started doing back in 86/87.
whatever has gone on since fergie left clearly hasnt worked, so could we be looking at a former tried and tested formula?
i know we all would have loved that marque signing yesterday and most are unhappy with what came in over the summer.
is the clubs intention to build the club from the bottom up ensuring we have a top squad say for the next 10 years rather than focusing on the immediate?
are we actually missing the bigger picture
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 8 minutes ago
I'm very happy with this approach of signing top young talent.
But we should be doing this as well as improving the first team squad.
That being said wouldn't we rather have the next 'Ronaldo' coming through our youth set up, rather than another club asking for 120m for them a few years down the line?
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The issue is, you need to stick to your transfer strategy.
You identified Sancho who fits the profile of the player you wanted, a top young talent who can improve, but also improves United in the now. Same applies with van de Beek, young talented player who comes in and improves the United side.
Even some slightly older players in their primes, such as Bruno and Maguire, came in and improved the side, despite Maguire's recent performances. AWB also follows this model because he improved United at RB, but can also improve himself.
So the blueprint is correct and the players that have been identified/bought, were seemingly the correct ones. But now the attention has switched to a couple of teenage wingers, who may fit the profile of a young player wanting to develop, but how do they come in and improve United on what's already there? Cavani seemed to be signed because he was available and it almost seemed a last minute "risk-free" (due to his age, experience and reputation) signing rather than a genuine target to improve the squad depth. Telles? I haven't seen enough of him to give a proper opinion, but heard he is decent going forward, suspect defensively. Does he improve on Shaw really? Will he adapt to the PL as well? More questions than answers in the last few days in terms of what United are actually wanting to achieve on the recruitment side of things.
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But there’s absolutely no way it’s happening. The evidence says that the board doesn’t have the patience, foresight or cojones to do it.
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Neither do the fans as evidenced on this board over the last few days.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 50 minutes ago
The issue is, you need to stick to your transfer strategy.
You identified Sancho who fits the profile of the player you wanted, a top young talent who can improve, but also improves United in the now. Same applies with van de Beek, young talented player who comes in and improves the United side.
Even some slightly older players in their primes, such as Bruno and Maguire, came in and improved the side, despite Maguire's recent performances. AWB also follows this model because he improved United at RB, but can also improve himself.
So the blueprint is correct and the players that have been identified/bought, were seemingly the correct ones. But now the attention has switched to a couple of teenage wingers, who may fit the profile of a young player wanting to develop, but how do they come in and improve United on what's already there? Cavani seemed to be signed because he was available and it almost seemed a last minute "risk-free" (due to his age, experience and reputation) signing rather than a genuine target to improve the squad depth. Telles? I haven't seen enough of him to give a proper opinion, but heard he is decent going forward, suspect defensively. Does he improve on Shaw really? Will he adapt to the PL as well? More questions than answers in the last few days in terms of what United are actually wanting to achieve on the recruitment side of things.
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I don't want to argue that the board's conduct has been anything but a massive shiiteshow, nor that this summer strategy hasn't been a failure. But I think the failure was above one of failing to get our top target, rather than suddenly changing strategy last minute.
Buying up young talented players 2-3 years away from first XI football clearly has been a feature of our recruitment strategy this summer. Witness the stream of youngsters hoovered up for the academy. Amad Traore was being reported as a United target, and specifically not an alternative to Sancho, by the MEN about a month ago. I think these are probably sound and well considered business decisions (albeit ones, as mentioned above, that we can't have the confidence in the executive structure of the club to realise the potential of).
In parallel I think the club wanted to strength the first XI in certain positions. I guess VDB gives us back-up for Fernandes, Telles back-up and competition for Shaw, and Sancho would have given us top quality in the position where we were thinnest. Perhaps the club took the view that if they couldn't get the right player for the XI, they'd wait for the right one to become available - a repeat of the Bruno Fernandes scenario last summer. That's all very well but they seem to have forgotten what kind of season we were having until the January window. Cavani in some ways makes sense - strength in depth in attacking options was required, mentor for the younger forwards, doesn't stand in the way of their long-term progress, but we're still one injury or period of poor form on the part of Greenwood from having no one who can play on the right of attack.
posted on 6/10/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 41 minutes ago
But there’s absolutely no way it’s happening. The evidence says that the board doesn’t have the patience, foresight or cojones to do it.
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Rosso
Neither do the fans as evidenced on this board over the last few days.
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posted on 6/10/20
is the clubs intention to build the club from the bottom up ensuring we have a top squad say for the next 10 years rather than focusing on the immediate?
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I think you’re giving the club too much credit.