Well if Ole does go

comment by Donny The King van de Beek (U10026)
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Clockwork, yep so was I. But I think the difference with Mourinho was that his reputation as a manager afforded him more time than he should have actually got, as well as the availability of suitable replacements - it’s why Ole was the man that got the job in the first place. Things obviously got pretty toxic and humiliation by Liverpool was the final straw.

I don’t think that toxic atmosphere that Mourinho had a big hand in creating will be reached under Ole. He just doesn’t come across as the kind of person that would create that kind of atmosphere.

But if the players start to collectively lose faith in the manager then there’s usually one solution to try and fix it. He also does not have the managerial credentials for his position not to be reviewed, and there are currently two of the best coaches in football waiting around for their next big job.

Doesn’t mean he’ll get sacked. But it would hardly be a surprise.
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Agree totally. It's why I said on another thread yesterday he'd been unlucky. No real preparation for this season followed by a pretty rough start fixture-wise means he could be gone only a few months after getting third. A logical replacement out of work just makes it worse for him.

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Poch seems to be an honourable man and not someone who will leave a club in the middle of the season and perhaps not even in the middle of a project.
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He isn’t in a project now
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I know. And there isn't a job available for him at United now.
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Saints fans thought the same when Adkins was in charge
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You honestly think that Ed is considering sacking Ole after he has managed us to 3rd in the league and after the window has just closed, based on a few bad games when the squad is blatantly unfit? You were spouting this same line last year and is cost you.

I'll be very surprised if Ole loses his job before the end of this season, unless we are out of the top 4 spots with no chance to qualify for the CL.
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He sacked LVG the day of winning an FA cup.

I genuinely feel if we get battered by Newcastle he’ll be sacked that day. Because after that we play PSG, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leipzig and Everton and the pain will only get worse.

We lost 6-1 at home the week after a game against Brighton where we should have conceded 6/7. The future isn’t written - of course - but unless the form picks up he’s a goner.
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Yes, he sacked LVG at the end of the season. How does that compare to sacking a manager right at the start of the season just after the window has closed?

Another prediction on how we are going to struggle in the next run of fixtures. New season, same old guff.
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Well, the ball’s in Ole’s court. If these poor performances keep coming the noise will get bigger. Deep down you know this 😉

Losing 6-1 at home is a result that will have turned heads upstairs. You think he’ll turn it round, many don’t. Time will tell.
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Well the evidence suggests that he will turn it around. He has done that twice already. You are making out like there is some huge crisis going on. We have lost a couple of games at the start of the season when the players aren't fit. Yes, the defeat at Spurs was bad, but we have seen the same in the past when a player gets sent off early. These results can happen.
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He may well turn it around. But (taken from another site) this explains a lot of why that isn’t quite enough...

"United will go on good runs under Ole. He seems to have a knack of provoking a winning streak with his ‘arm around the shoulder’ management and these players are too talented to always play badly. But we have seen nothing yet to suggest that he has the tactical depth to make United greater than the sum of their expensive parts and we know he lacks the successful experience too. Solskjaer described Sunday as his worst moment as a manager. That’s saying something given that he lost to Sunderland and Newcastle by a combined 7-0 in the space of a week to relegate Cardiff City in 2014.

As for the notion that changing the manager will make no difference – “Look at Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho” – well…maybe it won’t. But maybe it will. There might be doubts about both, but is Mauricio Pochettino a better manager than Solskjaer? Is Julian Nagelsmann? If so, why not try and approach them before someone else does?

Moyes was the misguided choice of his predecessor, Van Gaal was way past his best when he arrived and Mourinho took United to second on 81 points with a worse squad than the one Solskjaer possesses. Mourinho’s departure became inevitable when he succumbed to the usual combustion, but it worked better than this with worse than this for a while. The one thing United haven’t tried is a younger, more relevant coach with tactical acumen.

Solskajer could have no complaints if he was sacked this week. The bleak reality is that you could survey the fans of the other 43 clubs in the Premier League and Championship and only a handful would happily swap their own manager with the manager of Manchester United. That in itself should embarrass the club. Solskjaer’s deep connection with the club counts for something, but it is simply not enough to account for the shortfall on his CV

This is not an attack on Solskjaer. He seems a manager desperate to succeed and who feels the pain of humiliating defeat more than most because of his affinity to the club. But this isn’t a school sports day. You can’t simultaneously demand that Manchester United become more ruthless and efficient off the pitch and believe that Solskjaer should stay in his position when he is so clearly not the best person for it. This experiment has now run its course."

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Poch seems to be an honourable man and not someone who will leave a club in the middle of the season and perhaps not even in the middle of a project.
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He isn’t in a project now
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I know. And there isn't a job available for him at United now.
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Saints fans thought the same when Adkins was in charge
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You honestly think that Ed is considering sacking Ole after he has managed us to 3rd in the league and after the window has just closed, based on a few bad games when the squad is blatantly unfit? You were spouting this same line last year and is cost you.

I'll be very surprised if Ole loses his job before the end of this season, unless we are out of the top 4 spots with no chance to qualify for the CL.
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He sacked LVG the day of winning an FA cup.

I genuinely feel if we get battered by Newcastle he’ll be sacked that day. Because after that we play PSG, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leipzig and Everton and the pain will only get worse.

We lost 6-1 at home the week after a game against Brighton where we should have conceded 6/7. The future isn’t written - of course - but unless the form picks up he’s a goner.
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Yes, he sacked LVG at the end of the season. How does that compare to sacking a manager right at the start of the season just after the window has closed?

Another prediction on how we are going to struggle in the next run of fixtures. New season, same old guff.
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Well, the ball’s in Ole’s court. If these poor performances keep coming the noise will get bigger. Deep down you know this 😉

Losing 6-1 at home is a result that will have turned heads upstairs. You think he’ll turn it round, many don’t. Time will tell.
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Well the evidence suggests that he will turn it around. He has done that twice already. You are making out like there is some huge crisis going on. We have lost a couple of games at the start of the season when the players aren't fit. Yes, the defeat at Spurs was bad, but we have seen the same in the past when a player gets sent off early. These results can happen.
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He may well turn it around. But (taken from another site) this explains a lot of why that isn’t quite enough...

"United will go on good runs under Ole. He seems to have a knack of provoking a winning streak with his ‘arm around the shoulder’ management and these players are too talented to always play badly. But we have seen nothing yet to suggest that he has the tactical depth to make United greater than the sum of their expensive parts and we know he lacks the successful experience too. Solskjaer described Sunday as his worst moment as a manager. That’s saying something given that he lost to Sunderland and Newcastle by a combined 7-0 in the space of a week to relegate Cardiff City in 2014.

As for the notion that changing the manager will make no difference – “Look at Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho” – well…maybe it won’t. But maybe it will. There might be doubts about both, but is Mauricio Pochettino a better manager than Solskjaer? Is Julian Nagelsmann? If so, why not try and approach them before someone else does?

Moyes was the misguided choice of his predecessor, Van Gaal was way past his best when he arrived and Mourinho took United to second on 81 points with a worse squad than the one Solskjaer possesses. Mourinho’s departure became inevitable when he succumbed to the usual combustion, but it worked better than this with worse than this for a while. The one thing United haven’t tried is a younger, more relevant coach with tactical acumen.

Solskajer could have no complaints if he was sacked this week. The bleak reality is that you could survey the fans of the other 43 clubs in the Premier League and Championship and only a handful would happily swap their own manager with the manager of Manchester United. That in itself should embarrass the club. Solskjaer’s deep connection with the club counts for something, but it is simply not enough to account for the shortfall on his CV

This is not an attack on Solskjaer. He seems a manager desperate to succeed and who feels the pain of humiliating defeat more than most because of his affinity to the club. But this isn’t a school sports day. You can’t simultaneously demand that Manchester United become more ruthless and efficient off the pitch and believe that Solskjaer should stay in his position when he is so clearly not the best person for it. This experiment has now run its course."
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Robb, he isn't going to get sustainable consistency in terms of results with the squad that he had. He did well to get 3rd last season considering we didn't have an AM until January and the fact Rashford and Martial were injured for large parts of the season.

Ole has got some improving to do - there is no doubt about that. But most young managers do. His tactics can't be that bad considering the results he has had against the bigger teams.

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comment by Robb Pochettino (U22311)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Robb Pochettino (U22311)
posted 12 minutes ago
Poch seems to be an honourable man and not someone who will leave a club in the middle of the season and perhaps not even in the middle of a project.
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He isn’t in a project now
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I know. And there isn't a job available for him at United now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Saints fans thought the same when Adkins was in charge
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You honestly think that Ed is considering sacking Ole after he has managed us to 3rd in the league and after the window has just closed, based on a few bad games when the squad is blatantly unfit? You were spouting this same line last year and is cost you.

I'll be very surprised if Ole loses his job before the end of this season, unless we are out of the top 4 spots with no chance to qualify for the CL.
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He sacked LVG the day of winning an FA cup.

I genuinely feel if we get battered by Newcastle he’ll be sacked that day. Because after that we play PSG, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leipzig and Everton and the pain will only get worse.

We lost 6-1 at home the week after a game against Brighton where we should have conceded 6/7. The future isn’t written - of course - but unless the form picks up he’s a goner.
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Yes, he sacked LVG at the end of the season. How does that compare to sacking a manager right at the start of the season just after the window has closed?

Another prediction on how we are going to struggle in the next run of fixtures. New season, same old guff.
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Well, the ball’s in Ole’s court. If these poor performances keep coming the noise will get bigger. Deep down you know this 😉

Losing 6-1 at home is a result that will have turned heads upstairs. You think he’ll turn it round, many don’t. Time will tell.
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Well the evidence suggests that he will turn it around. He has done that twice already. You are making out like there is some huge crisis going on. We have lost a couple of games at the start of the season when the players aren't fit. Yes, the defeat at Spurs was bad, but we have seen the same in the past when a player gets sent off early. These results can happen.
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If you are saying Ole has already had to turn things around twice and this could be a third time in such a short space of time as a manager,then that to me suggests he's not good enough to be a manager of a top team.

Clockwork, yeah I’ve said before I think he’s been quite an unlucky manager. Though it’s worth noting he’s probably the luckiest manager in football to get the Manchester United job in the first place.

Ole has got some improving to do - there is no doubt about that. But most young managers do. His tactics can't be that bad considering the results he has had against the bigger teams.
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There’s a very simple reason for that though. We have pacey players. Sit back, defend and break on the big sides. That will always trouble even the best of teams. But it’s not really sustainable over the course of a season as teams will adapt. Ole hasn’t shown he can adapt and that may well cost him.

You and I are of course entitled to our opinions. I’m just saying ‘if’ - and I’m not sitting here predicting any results - just saying ‘if’ we lose the next couple it could get very ugly.

On that note, bed!

If you are saying Ole has already had to turn things around twice and this could be a third time in such a short space of time as a manager,then that to me suggests he's not good enough to be a manager of a top team.
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Really? The first time he "turned it around" was when he joined, i.e. he turned round the problems that got his predecessor sacked. Then we were up and down, but generally pretty mediocre (with the odd great result) up until Bruno joined.

Even Guardiola has had to turn things around at City a couple of times.

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
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If you are saying Ole has already had to turn things around twice and this could be a third time in such a short space of time as a manager,then that to me suggests he's not good enough to be a manager of a top team.
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Really? The first time he "turned it around" was when he joined, i.e. he turned round the problems that got his predecessor sacked. Then we were up and down, but generally pretty mediocre (with the odd great result) up until Bruno joined.

Even Guardiola has had to turn things around at City a couple of times.
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Guardiola has been at City for coming up 5 years and has won numerous trophies in that time.

Ole has had to turn things around twice and could be in trouble again after less than 2 years and winning nothing.

No comparison

If results don't improve he will get sacked
If they do he won't, same as any other manager/

The part I always take issue is this
'there is a better manager available'

It should say there is another manager available.

I've seen no evidence Poch is better.
Ole got fired at Cardiff, tbf the owner was not the best by all accounts.

He did very well at Molde

Up and down at United;

Robbs already posted Poch's history, but he's been doing it longer. One strike against him is that he has never won anything.
But I do think he is a very good manager.

I think Ole has done enough to be given a longer run at it, and if he fails like all failures, he has to go.

It's fairly simple, the only difference between us is how much time he bought for himself last season, I would say around Christmas time would be fair.

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comment by Robb Pochettino (U22311)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by Robb Pochettino (U22311)
posted 12 minutes ago
Poch seems to be an honourable man and not someone who will leave a club in the middle of the season and perhaps not even in the middle of a project.
————-

He isn’t in a project now
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I know. And there isn't a job available for him at United now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Saints fans thought the same when Adkins was in charge
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You honestly think that Ed is considering sacking Ole after he has managed us to 3rd in the league and after the window has just closed, based on a few bad games when the squad is blatantly unfit? You were spouting this same line last year and is cost you.

I'll be very surprised if Ole loses his job before the end of this season, unless we are out of the top 4 spots with no chance to qualify for the CL.
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He sacked LVG the day of winning an FA cup.

I genuinely feel if we get battered by Newcastle he’ll be sacked that day. Because after that we play PSG, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leipzig and Everton and the pain will only get worse.

We lost 6-1 at home the week after a game against Brighton where we should have conceded 6/7. The future isn’t written - of course - but unless the form picks up he’s a goner.
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Yes, he sacked LVG at the end of the season. How does that compare to sacking a manager right at the start of the season just after the window has closed?

Another prediction on how we are going to struggle in the next run of fixtures. New season, same old guff.
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Well, the ball’s in Ole’s court. If these poor performances keep coming the noise will get bigger. Deep down you know this 😉

Losing 6-1 at home is a result that will have turned heads upstairs. You think he’ll turn it round, many don’t. Time will tell.
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Well the evidence suggests that he will turn it around. He has done that twice already. You are making out like there is some huge crisis going on. We have lost a couple of games at the start of the season when the players aren't fit. Yes, the defeat at Spurs was bad, but we have seen the same in the past when a player gets sent off early. These results can happen.
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If you are saying Ole has already had to turn things around twice and this could be a third time in such a short space of time as a manager,then that to me suggests he's not good enough to be a manager of a top team.
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Well the first time was when he took over, so the fact he needed to turn things around wasn't his problem. The second time was after a string of poor results after his honeymoon period ended and the lack of fitness in the squad became apparent. I'd say that wasn't really his fault either. You are also overlooking the state that the squad was in.