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Proposed Rule changes

Wenger has proposed new Rule changes:
1. An attacking player is only offside if absolutely no goalscoring part of his body is in line with the defending player. If the head is offside but the foot is in line with the defender's foot the player is onside.
2. A corner kick can swerve off the pitch and back on again without being ruled out of play.
3. Teams can replace throw-ins with kick-ins in their own half.

I think they are worth trying. Quite interesting, will definitely provoke some debate.

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
Having read most of these comments, I am now asking myself the question: "Why do we even need an "off-side rule"?

Often "off-side" is a cover up for poor defending and prevents more creative, exciting and attacking football.
Now we find ourselves discussing elbows, shoulders, toe nails etc. etc. I know that some traditionalists will have seizures at this thought, but perhaps the game of football (aka. soccer) would be better off without it? I suspect that most game officials might also agree?

With regards to when is a ball out of play, the answer is simple, it is out of play as soon as it goes out of play and cannot come back into play! Just like when the ball crosses the goal line it is a goal, and cannot be dragged out.

If anyone bothers to respond, please stay on topic. The small group who thrive on personal insults and vulgarity need not waste their time.
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I completely disagree that offside is a cover for poor defending. Offside is a law in the game and so it is taken into account. Attackers know this and need to play to the rules.

If you get rid of it then attackers just stand in the penalty area and wait for the ball to be kicked up to them.
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Agree that it is a law of the game, but with the skill and pace of our current game it is increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way.

Also, I'm not suggesting that we eliminate the defensive players. New line-up configurations could handle attackers who merely hang around the other teams penalty area if that were to happen.
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I never said it would eliminate defensive players, what ot would do is force defensive players to also stand in their own box for the whole match, which would make huges amount of space in the middle of the pitch where players can just run with no challenges.

Offside law is not increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way, it hasn't functionally changed since 1990. All that has changed recently is that VAR has allowed it to be applied more accurately and consistently.
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So does your last sentence mean that for decades that the rule was poorly applied? But then for the past 30 years there were few complaints from managers or players?? Why are managers and many players still questioning this archaic rule?

My mind is still open to see this rule go away, yours is closed. Good-bye and good luck!

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
Having read most of these comments, I am now asking myself the question: "Why do we even need an "off-side rule"?

Often "off-side" is a cover up for poor defending and prevents more creative, exciting and attacking football.
Now we find ourselves discussing elbows, shoulders, toe nails etc. etc. I know that some traditionalists will have seizures at this thought, but perhaps the game of football (aka. soccer) would be better off without it? I suspect that most game officials might also agree?

With regards to when is a ball out of play, the answer is simple, it is out of play as soon as it goes out of play and cannot come back into play! Just like when the ball crosses the goal line it is a goal, and cannot be dragged out.

If anyone bothers to respond, please stay on topic. The small group who thrive on personal insults and vulgarity need not waste their time.
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I completely disagree that offside is a cover for poor defending. Offside is a law in the game and so it is taken into account. Attackers know this and need to play to the rules.

If you get rid of it then attackers just stand in the penalty area and wait for the ball to be kicked up to them.
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Agree that it is a law of the game, but with the skill and pace of our current game it is increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way.

Also, I'm not suggesting that we eliminate the defensive players. New line-up configurations could handle attackers who merely hang around the other teams penalty area if that were to happen.
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I never said it would eliminate defensive players, what ot would do is force defensive players to also stand in their own box for the whole match, which would make huges amount of space in the middle of the pitch where players can just run with no challenges.

Offside law is not increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way, it hasn't functionally changed since 1990. All that has changed recently is that VAR has allowed it to be applied more accurately and consistently.
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So does your last sentence mean that for decades that the rule was poorly applied? But then for the past 30 years there were few complaints from managers or players?? Why are managers and many players still questioning this archaic rule?

My mind is still open to see this rule go away, yours is closed. Good-bye and good luck!
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I notice that your very first post ended with "The small group who thrive on personal insults and vulgarity need not waste their time"

I also note that, despite me sticking strictly to the topic and not being insulting whatsoever, your most recent post ended with "My mind is still open to see this rule go away, yours is closed. Good-bye and good luck".

I guess this means you are in that small group that thrive in vulgarity and personal insults. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

As to your post, no - it doesn't mean the rule was poorly applied. How you have reached that leap in logic is a mystery so do feel free to explain. Changing a law doesn't mean the law was being poorly applied before, it means that they decided that a change to the law was needed.

"Why are managers and many players still questioning this archaic rule?"

Please provide some direct quotes from many players or managers advocating for the complete removal of the offside law. Note that this doesn't mean people suggesting it might be amended, since you were talking about scrapping it completely.

comment by 8bit (U2653)

posted 1 week, 3 days ago

comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 2 days, 12 hours ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Instead of 3 I'd replace throw ins with kick ins but you can only hit it along the ground. Throw ins can be a disadvantage sometimes with teams losing possession
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What do you mean by "hit it along the ground "? I don't understand that. You mean you can't hit a high ball into the opposition box, you can only hit a grounder?
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You could only pass is along the floor and not chip it in the air, so you can pass it into teammates feet but it wouldn't be as big an advantage as a free kick

posted 1 week, 3 days ago

All your teammates would be tightly marked if you have to play it along the floor. Doesn't sound practicable to me tbh.

posted 1 week, 3 days ago

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
Having read most of these comments, I am now asking myself the question: "Why do we even need an "off-side rule"?

Often "off-side" is a cover up for poor defending and prevents more creative, exciting and attacking football.
Now we find ourselves discussing elbows, shoulders, toe nails etc. etc. I know that some traditionalists will have seizures at this thought, but perhaps the game of football (aka. soccer) would be better off without it? I suspect that most game officials might also agree?

With regards to when is a ball out of play, the answer is simple, it is out of play as soon as it goes out of play and cannot come back into play! Just like when the ball crosses the goal line it is a goal, and cannot be dragged out.

If anyone bothers to respond, please stay on topic. The small group who thrive on personal insults and vulgarity need not waste their time.
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I completely disagree that offside is a cover for poor defending. Offside is a law in the game and so it is taken into account. Attackers know this and need to play to the rules.

If you get rid of it then attackers just stand in the penalty area and wait for the ball to be kicked up to them.
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Agree that it is a law of the game, but with the skill and pace of our current game it is increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way.

Also, I'm not suggesting that we eliminate the defensive players. New line-up configurations could handle attackers who merely hang around the other teams penalty area if that were to happen.
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I never said it would eliminate defensive players, what ot would do is force defensive players to also stand in their own box for the whole match, which would make huges amount of space in the middle of the pitch where players can just run with no challenges.

Offside law is not increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way, it hasn't functionally changed since 1990. All that has changed recently is that VAR has allowed it to be applied more accurately and consistently.
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So does your last sentence mean that for decades that the rule was poorly applied? But then for the past 30 years there were few complaints from managers or players?? Why are managers and many players still questioning this archaic rule?

My mind is still open to see this rule go away, yours is closed. Good-bye and good luck!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I notice that your very first post ended with "The small group who thrive on personal insults and vulgarity need not waste their time"

I also note that, despite me sticking strictly to the topic and not being insulting whatsoever, your most recent post ended with "My mind is still open to see this rule go away, yours is closed. Good-bye and good luck".

I guess this means you are in that small group that thrive in vulgarity and personal insults. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

As to your post, no - it doesn't mean the rule was poorly applied. How you have reached that leap in logic is a mystery so do feel free to explain. Changing a law doesn't mean the law was being poorly applied before, it means that they decided that a change to the law was needed.

"Why are managers and many players still questioning this archaic rule?"

Please provide some direct quotes from many players or managers advocating for the complete removal of the offside law. Note that this doesn't mean people suggesting it might be amended, since you were talking about scrapping it completely.
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Thank-you for educating me in the fact that "good-bye and/or good luck" were personal insults and/or vulgarity!

Now please go troll someone else!

posted 1 week, 3 days ago

comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 6 hours, 20 minutes ago
Having read most of these comments, I am now asking myself the question: "Why do we even need an "off-side rule"?

Often "off-side" is a cover up for poor defending and prevents more creative, exciting and attacking football.
Now we find ourselves discussing elbows, shoulders, toe nails etc. etc. I know that some traditionalists will have seizures at this thought, but perhaps the game of football (aka. soccer) would be better off without it? I suspect that most game officials might also agree?

With regards to when is a ball out of play, the answer is simple, it is out of play as soon as it goes out of play and cannot come back into play! Just like when the ball crosses the goal line it is a goal, and cannot be dragged out.

If anyone bothers to respond, please stay on topic. The small group who thrive on personal insults and vulgarity need not waste their time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I completely disagree that offside is a cover for poor defending. Offside is a law in the game and so it is taken into account. Attackers know this and need to play to the rules.

If you get rid of it then attackers just stand in the penalty area and wait for the ball to be kicked up to them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree that it is a law of the game, but with the skill and pace of our current game it is increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way.

Also, I'm not suggesting that we eliminate the defensive players. New line-up configurations could handle attackers who merely hang around the other teams penalty area if that were to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I never said it would eliminate defensive players, what ot would do is force defensive players to also stand in their own box for the whole match, which would make huges amount of space in the middle of the pitch where players can just run with no challenges.

Offside law is not increasingly difficult to apply in an understandable way, it hasn't functionally changed since 1990. All that has changed recently is that VAR has allowed it to be applied more accurately and consistently.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
So does your last sentence mean that for decades that the rule was poorly applied? But then for the past 30 years there were few complaints from managers or players?? Why are managers and many players still questioning this archaic rule?

My mind is still open to see this rule go away, yours is closed. Good-bye and good luck!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I notice that your very first post ended with "The small group who thrive on personal insults and vulgarity need not waste their time"

I also note that, despite me sticking strictly to the topic and not being insulting whatsoever, your most recent post ended with "My mind is still open to see this rule go away, yours is closed. Good-bye and good luck".

I guess this means you are in that small group that thrive in vulgarity and personal insults. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

As to your post, no - it doesn't mean the rule was poorly applied. How you have reached that leap in logic is a mystery so do feel free to explain. Changing a law doesn't mean the law was being poorly applied before, it means that they decided that a change to the law was needed.

"Why are managers and many players still questioning this archaic rule?"

Please provide some direct quotes from many players or managers advocating for the complete removal of the offside law. Note that this doesn't mean people suggesting it might be amended, since you were talking about scrapping it completely.
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Thank-you for educating me in the fact that "good-bye and/or good luck" were personal insults and/or vulgarity!

Now please go troll someone else!
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No, accusing someone of being closed-minded is a personal insults. Although you are welcome for the education.

Still waiting on those managers and players that all want the offside law to be scrapped.

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

Kicks ins are a non starter for me. Teams will aim to get 'kicks in' in the opponents half for cheap shots at goals. The game will end up as a long ball game. Surprised Wenger didn't think this one through.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

Why are they trying so desperately hard to create more goalscoring chances in the game? There are many things wrong in football but this aspect isn't one of them. Clean sheets are not a crime.

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
Kicks ins are a non starter for me. Teams will aim to get 'kicks in' in the opponents half for cheap shots at goals. The game will end up as a long ball game. Surprised Wenger didn't think this one through.
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Klopp beat him to it

posted 1 week, 2 days ago

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
Why are they trying so desperately hard to create more goalscoring chances in the game? There are many things wrong in football but this aspect isn't one of them. Clean sheets are not a crime.
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Because they need to do something to make up fot the 3/4 of the game now being played passing back and forth among the back line all the time. Alot of games last season were a borefest because of just that. Most of ours were and that's not changing so far this one. It's starting to feel like 80 mins of watching defenders passing among themselves with 10 mins of MF and attacking play, half of which still goes backwards several times.

I'd still like to see a rule similar to basketball's half court violation rule. Once in the opposition half, no passing back into your own until a shot on goal has been taken. You want more going on in attack, stop teams from passing it back to defenders in their own half all the time.

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