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We can do better than have Lampard

as manager

That is undoubtedly true, and some of the criticism he receives is fair, but we knew we were taking on a novice manager and as such we should have realistic expectations of what he can achieve and over what time period.

I think the fairest criticism of Lampard is that he has been unable to resolve our defensive problems.

Truthfully, there has been no improvement as yet, perhaps with the exception of the recent defensive display against Palace, so i understand the concern.

But, he has not yet had the time this season, with the new players, to show if can improve the team's defensive woes. There is much to improve on and he really does need to show fans this season that he can improve the team, but he also needs more than 5 PL games.

38 PL games would seem reasonable.

posted 3 days, 22 hours ago

comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Defensive problems are just the symptom. It is an overall lack of structure on and off the ball which is contributing to our miraculously disappearing midfield, the resultant attack vs defence scenarios and our inability to control games/sustain pressure.
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Yep. I agree.

I will add: If we want to win anything, he has to go

posted 3 days, 22 hours ago

Arsenal fan here, hoping Lampard stays for a while. I personally don't think he's shown anything to suggest he'll take you to where your squad should have you.

That said, surely you knew it was a project when you got him so surely you've got to give him the time and opportunity to prove himself? Your squad is pretty young so won't be collectively peaking for another 2-3 years, so giving him time might not be too detrimental in the meantime.

posted 3 days, 18 hours ago

comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
Arsenal fan here, hoping Lampard stays for a while. I personally don't think he's shown anything to suggest he'll take you to where your squad should have you.

That said, surely you knew it was a project when you got him so surely you've got to give him the time and opportunity to prove himself? Your squad is pretty young so won't be collectively peaking for another 2-3 years, so giving him time might not be too detrimental in the meantime.
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That's is my point. We knew what we were getting and we knew the risks. Bar a total mess up on his part, he deserves this season in full to show if he has what it takes.

posted 3 days, 16 hours ago

I feel this is a job that's come way too early in Lampard's managerial career. Managers like Guardiola and Zidane are exceptions to the rule. In general, top managers take years to develop their style of play before they become successful.

On the face of it, the issues we see with our defence look like individual errors but the reality is that Lampard hasn't figured out a style of play that balances all the elements he wants to see in his side (ball progression from the back, a fluid attack with forward thinking fullbacks, pressing high from the front).

The lack of compactness is the clearest problem with our play at the moment. When we press, the midfield pushes forward but the defensive line doesn't follow suit. When we attack, both full backs and a centre mid bomb forward creating huge gaps in the centre of the pitch that leave us extremely vulnerable to turnovers (at least one full back needs to be tucking in as a spare defensive man). A result of these issues is that a competent manager can systemically take us apart and any mistake a player makes can get ruthlessly punished as we simply don't have the numbers back to compensate.

For an example of our completely non-existent defensive structure look at this sequence of play when we press Southampton:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nomifooty/status/1317538396735217665

A well marshalled side doesn't leave this much space between the defence and midfield. It's schoolboy tactics.

posted 3 days, 12 hours ago

comment by minididi (U17584)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
I feel this is a job that's come way too early in Lampard's managerial career. Managers like Guardiola and Zidane are exceptions to the rule. In general, top managers take years to develop their style of play before they become successful.

On the face of it, the issues we see with our defence look like individual errors but the reality is that Lampard hasn't figured out a style of play that balances all the elements he wants to see in his side (ball progression from the back, a fluid attack with forward thinking fullbacks, pressing high from the front).

The lack of compactness is the clearest problem with our play at the moment. When we press, the midfield pushes forward but the defensive line doesn't follow suit. When we attack, both full backs and a centre mid bomb forward creating huge gaps in the centre of the pitch that leave us extremely vulnerable to turnovers (at least one full back needs to be tucking in as a spare defensive man). A result of these issues is that a competent manager can systemically take us apart and any mistake a player makes can get ruthlessly punished as we simply don't have the numbers back to compensate.

For an example of our completely non-existent defensive structure look at this sequence of play when we press Southampton:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nomifooty/status/1317538396735217665

A well marshalled side doesn't leave this much space between the defence and midfield. It's schoolboy tactics.
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Good post

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted 3 days, 10 hours ago

I feel this is a job that's come way too early in Lampard's managerial career. Managers like Guardiola and Zidane are exceptions to the rule. In general, top managers take years to develop their style of play before they become successful
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Not sure that it's always the case that managers take years to develop their style or to become successful. Mourino won the Uefa Cup and then the CL with Porto only a couple of years into his managerial career. And then at Nagelsmann in Germany.

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted 3 days, 10 hours ago

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 8 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
Arsenal fan here, hoping Lampard stays for a while. I personally don't think he's shown anything to suggest he'll take you to where your squad should have you.

That said, surely you knew it was a project when you got him so surely you've got to give him the time and opportunity to prove himself? Your squad is pretty young so won't be collectively peaking for another 2-3 years, so giving him time might not be too detrimental in the meantime.
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That's is my point. We knew what we were getting and we knew the risks. Bar a total mess up on his part, he deserves this season in full to show if he has what it takes.
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Exactly he deserves at least this season to show what he can do when he finally has all or at least most of his new signings available, something that he hasn't had so far this season apart from the Palace game where we won 4-0.

And overall Lampard has done well as manager here even if a segment of our fans spit their dummies out whenever we don't win. The fact is we're only a few games into the season and only once have we come even close to being able to start our best 11.

I'll be making my judgements on Lampard at the end of the season when he's been able to at least play most of our best players on a consistent basis. And when we're not playing the worst keeper (by far) in the league nearly every game as well like we have been doing so far this season.

posted 3 days, 7 hours ago

We knew what the score was when we took him on.

As far as I'm aware everyone was onboard with it at the time, happy about bringing in the kids and looking at a long term project - 18 months on that seems all but forgotten!

posted 3 days, 1 hour ago

I agree with what Superb said, and that it is still early days yet but we also need to recognise quickly that we can't keep regularly conceding 3 goals in lots of games and expect to win them. Going forward we look good but there is a fragility about us at the back that looks like that at 94+ minutes when winning we'll still easily let one in.

posted 3 days ago

Our defence hasnt really had time to compete as a finished unit, Tomori got injured just as he was starting to look good(liverpool game) Silva was just getting used to pl and had to go play for Brazil(come on brazil hes to old for that schitt) Mendy already injured, Gilmour out injured when he was starting to look the real deal.because of ridiculous european schedule.

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