Pros:
- Improved the culture at the club, it feels more like the United I grew up watching/following.
- Youth recruitment has been good, or seems that way.
- Youth development into the first team has been very good (e.g. Greenwood, Williams)
- I have liked the age profile/quality of most of our First Team acquisitions.
- We look good against top level opposition.
Not necessarily Pro or Con:
- Got rid of some deadwood, quite a few still remain.
- Tactically Ole sometimes gets it right, sometimes he gets it wrong.
Cons:
- This season we have played 6 games in the league, and only 1 or 2 have been acceptable performance-wise. Last night wasn't good either.
- We still don't look fit enough as a team and some players are being overplayed (e.g. Bruno, think this is affecting his performances)
- Struggling against teams that sit back, despite this being an issue for some time.
- Following on from previous point, we still don't look great against teams we should be beating on paper, perhaps linked to our poor home form.
I've probably missed some obvious points. I'm not necessarily Ole in or Ole out. I think if we kept Ole for longer we would eventually have a squad capable of going places, but this is taking time. However, if our current league form continues like this until the end of the year, it looks more and more difficult for him.
Thoughts on Ole's tenure
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 1 minute ago
United wouldn't have even got CL last year had Lester not collapsed and Chelsea not gone on that terrible run midway through the season. Ole got 66 points last season. In the David Moyes season, United got 64 points. Ole has lost the same amount of games Mourinho did, in 44 less games.
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Didn’t know the 44 less games stat. Crazy.
posted on 5/11/20
I've always said really that I think Ole would take us the first few steps up the ladder but will probably hit a ceiling. I think he's hit that ceiling now.
Its not to say he's done a bad job here because I don't think he has. This squad is in a healthier place than it was 2 years ago and a lot of that owes not only to his recruitment but his willingness to give the likes of Rash, Martial, Greenwood (and to a lesser extent McT and Brandon) a chance. Its why I wasn't in favour of the likes of Conte or Allegri when the sour one went.
Ultimately though the current level of inconsistency we are still seeing isn't good enough and I think he may have taken us as far he's going to. Of course like his 3 predecessors he isnt helped by the idiots above him, but there is a lot on the pitch that can improved too.
I've always been a fan of Poch, and unlike any of the other 4 managers Ed has appointed i feel he is a natural successor to what this manager has already built. The Spanish giants and Juve aren't doing too well at the moment, and it may be time to act before one of them does. We have been guilty of dithering on decisions like this in the past and paid for it.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
United wouldn't have even got CL last year had Lester not collapsed and Chelsea not gone on that terrible run midway through the season. Ole got 66 points last season. In the David Moyes season, United got 64 points. Ole has lost the same amount of games Mourinho did, in 44 less games.
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Some of our fans would accept relegation as long as Ole's at the wheel.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 49 minutes ago
I've always said really that I think Ole would take us the first few steps up the ladder but will probably hit a ceiling. I think he's hit that ceiling now.
Its not to say he's done a bad job here because I don't think he has. This squad is in a healthier place than it was 2 years ago and a lot of that owes not only to his recruitment but his willingness to give the likes of Rash, Martial, Greenwood (and to a lesser extent McT and Brandon) a chance. Its why I wasn't in favour of the likes of Conte or Allegri when the sour one went.
Ultimately though the current level of inconsistency we are still seeing isn't good enough and I think he may have taken us as far he's going to. Of course like his 3 predecessors he isnt helped by the idiots above him, but there is a lot on the pitch that can improved too.
I've always been a fan of Poch, and unlike any of the other 4 managers Ed has appointed i feel he is a natural successor to what this manager has already built. The Spanish giants and Juve aren't doing too well at the moment, and it may be time to act before one of them does. We have been guilty of dithering on decisions like this in the past and paid for it.
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More or less agree, not sure if Ole has hit the ceiling yet. I hope this is just a blip and he can turn it around.
posted on 5/11/20
I want Ole to win so badly, but it can’t continue.
The best thing I can say about Ole, there were times we played the best football since SAF.
But man, the hot and cold runs he goes on is doing my nut in.
Every time I think, ok, he’s found his groove, we bomb! It’s the hope that kills you.
I say kill the Diamond, bench the forwards.
Go 3 or 5 at the back. Have 1 striker up front.
Get Telles and AWB or Williams tearing up and down the flanks to support a Mid of Pogba Bruno and Donny.
Fred sitting in front of the Def, and a Lone striker.
posted on 5/11/20
Ordinary.
posted on 5/11/20
"Pros:
- Improved the culture at the club"
Didn't you used to boss the league back in the day & win stuff - you couldn't even manage the Ropey league last term...it was there on a plate
so...how is your current shatshow an improvement
posted on 5/11/20
Arteta for example is getting praised a lot recently when his side have created extremely few chances per game and allowed tons of chances against them in his time as manager. Now he is hailed a tactical genius as his side has insane efficiency at both ends winning games they have been poor in.
Tactically OGS is the best manager we had since SAF left. Our problem is we have players with bottle job mentality. Everyone says Fernandes changed everything for OGS last season but when he came we should have been a few points clear of Leicester City instead of 14 points behind. Fernandes just added the efficiency with near the same tactics and same domination as before.
Yesterday game was 2 poor pieces of defensive play both punished. That was near it for the opposition chances wise.
posted on 5/11/20
I think Solskjaer and Pogba should both be given new long term contracts and unswerving loyalty from the Board - but then I'm an Arsenal supporter... 😎
posted on 6/11/20
We have a lot of issues that won't be solved unless we start fixing the things above the Manager. We spent the whole summer chasing a player who was not available and then had to rush in signings.