The difference a Year makes

comment by chillversen (U12059)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP

You forgot to mention in the difference a year makes is the twelve positions in the table.
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We have 10 more points from 1 less game compared to last season
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Participation prize?
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Progress.
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There’s no progress until we’ve won silverware.
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I would give up with this board mate this article is yet another where the idiot speaks to himself through multiple accounts mainly trying to get a bite to his weird agenda. All the decent posters have now left probably best leave the mad old goat to his own devices talking to an empty room.
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Who ?

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 5 minutes ago
That's fair. I'm not judging Poch as a bad manager necessarily. The question as I understand it, is whose fault is it we didn't win anything while he was here. Maybe you could say it was Levy's fault for setting top 4 as a target instead of a trophy? Though I don't think it's that simple. Once you're in a semi final or whatever you have to go for it.
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Yup exactly, it isn’t that simple - he clearly wasn’t backed for it to have been a goal set for him - especially later on. Doesn’t mean he didn’t make mistakes but we’ve always lost to the better team so it’s hard to be too critical.
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I'm not being too critical for saying it's the manager's responsibility to win games, and make the parts greater than the whole. Especially in one-off games. Wigan beat City in a final FFS. We weren't really significant underdogs to anyone for at least a couple of seasons. Yes we all know the story later on, I think we've covered that.

But if we can agree that we had a top 4 side regularly for a few years (that's a fact) I think we should be able to agree that one trophy was realistic in that same period. In which case, 'whose fault was it we didn't win anything' has to be on the manager. 'Whose fault we weren't better/winning the league/winning the CL' would be on Levy I guess for not spending like an oil baron.

Again, depends what the goal was. Poch never prioritised domestic cups - he prioritised the big trophies and got so close; it was his downfall to an extent but he was dealt a real tough hand. No transfer spend in a few windows, three home stadiums in a season (and a difficult stadium move), picking up the mess that AVB/Sherwood left. I’d say the league over-performance was in spite of the hand he was dealt. I don’t blame levy for that he was building for the long term but sacrificed the short term.

All reasons why it was difficult for Poch, but no job is perfect. And none of them detract from it being his responsibility to win games. If despite all those insurmountable issues we could get to semi finals and finals you can't excuse failing at the final hurdle.

I am honestly surprised we are still talking about Poch he is history.

Fair play to him he took us up a few levels and under him we were one of the best 4 teams in the country. The progress he made obviously makes him a top class manager but whatever the reasons were it was time for a change.

None of us know exactly what went wrong behind the scenes but something did because our last year under Poch we were not a good side at all. Yes we reached the CL final but to be honest we did have a fair bit of fortune along the way.

Ajax away was a typical example, the team we started with that day was poor from the start and lets remember Poch picked that team. Ok we got thru but how did he pick such a poor team to start.

I respect him tremendously but IMO it was time for a change we were going backwards.

As for Jose, well he is what he is. There are a lot of posters on here that do not give a damn about how entertaining our football is all they want to do is win a trophy, thats fair enough thats their way.

There are also a lot of posters that also desperately want to win a trophy but want to win it with a bit of style and panache. Nobody can dispute the fact that Jose is capable of winning trophies he has done that all his career all over europe.

Its a bit like having a new girlfriend, some dont care what she looks like as long as she gives a good BJ others are more concerned with how she looks than how she performs.

My problem is I want her to look great and give a great BJ

comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 6 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP

You forgot to mention in the difference a year makes is the twelve positions in the table.
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We have 10 more points from 1 less game compared to last season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Participation prize?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Progress.
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There’s no progress until we’ve won silverware.
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If you cannot admit to our progression under José from this time last year then you are being ridiculous.

José has had our side top of the table longer in one season than Poch did in 5.
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100% agree. Some posters will always be too stubborn to admit they're wrong.

comment by Good old Chicken - #WLMM (U1043)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 6 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP

You forgot to mention in the difference a year makes is the twelve positions in the table.
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We have 10 more points from 1 less game compared to last season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Participation prize?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Progress.
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There’s no progress until we’ve won silverware.
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If you cannot admit to our progression under José from this time last year then you are being ridiculous.

José has had our side top of the table longer in one season than Poch did in 5.
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100% agree. Some posters will always be too stubborn to admit they're wrong.
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Because I’m not wrong and there’s no trophy for being top of the league in December.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Good old Chicken - #WLMM (U1043)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 6 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP

You forgot to mention in the difference a year makes is the twelve positions in the table.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have 10 more points from 1 less game compared to last season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Participation prize?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There’s no progress until we’ve won silverware.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you cannot admit to our progression under José from this time last year then you are being ridiculous.

José has had our side top of the table longer in one season than Poch did in 5.
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100% agree. Some posters will always be too stubborn to admit they're wrong.
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Because I’m not wrong and there’s no trophy for being top of the league in December.
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But you are wrong.

The table shows progression.

This time last year we had 14 points and were 14th in the table.

This year we have 24 points (having played a game less) and are top of the league.

If you cannot admit that being 1st is better than being 14th then there is no point debating with you.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 15 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by SirLes (U6965)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 55 minutes ago
Jose gets the best out of solid reliable players that will work their socks off doing what he tells them. The ali, winks, moura etc are what he sees as luxury players. They can decide games with a pass or goal but they have more swings to their form. He doesn't accept that.

Spurs don't play with the style of potchs team but they are now solid, hard to beat and far more consistent. Them players aren't necessarily bad they just aren't players that fit his ethos.
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Its quite amazing that Chelsea, Real Madrid, Inter and Porto had such a collection of workhorses, not a luxury player in sight heh? Sorry, you’ve written an absolute pile of tosh, buying into ill informed posters on here, the media, and of course, the Utd fanbase, who are pretty clueless anyway as they chose Pogba and then Ole over Jose.
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He posted the same nonsense on another thread. Despite the fact Mou was successful was Ozil, Mata and Deco for starters.
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I would've thought comparing him to all his squads bar Porto, where he spent carry sums, means a comparison with spurs is a bit silly.
He accepts high level luxury players at established teams buy spurs, like when he was at man u, we're on the wane.first thing he dies it cut out the abundance of flair to solidify his teams.

comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 3 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Good old Chicken - #WLMM (U1043)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 6 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keyser Jöse (U3338)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
OP

You forgot to mention in the difference a year makes is the twelve positions in the table.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have 10 more points from 1 less game compared to last season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Participation prize?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Progress.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There’s no progress until we’ve won silverware.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you cannot admit to our progression under José from this time last year then you are being ridiculous.

José has had our side top of the table longer in one season than Poch did in 5.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

100% agree. Some posters will always be too stubborn to admit they're wrong.
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Because I’m not wrong and there’s no trophy for being top of the league in December.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But you are wrong.

The table shows progression.

This time last year we had 14 points and were 14th in the table.

This year we have 24 points (having played a game less) and are top of the league.

If you cannot admit that being 1st is better than being 14th then there is no point debating with you.
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Agree, anybody that cannot see that 1st is not better than 14th is not worth debating with.