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Should Mourinho get the sack?

This could be a question that becomes more apparent if we lose again on Thursday night, leaving us with a rather dismal total of 9 points from a possible 30 - barely above relegation form.

Especially if the performance is as lifeless, flat and nothingy as the weekend, when we were thoroughly outplayed by a team who hadn't won at home all season. I'm sure I wasn't the only Spurs fan who didn't really want us to equalise, because we didn't deserve to.

I've seen a lot of dross as a Spurs fan, but that was one of the worst performances I've seen from a Spurs side. So utterly lacking in anything.

The question then follows, would Mourinho deserve the sack if the league form doesn't improve?

I honestly can't see Levy dispensing with him before the League Cup final, with silverware so tantalisingly close and Jose's record in finals. But that is now a lot further away than it should have been, and is it worth it to play laboured, turgid football for the foreseeable with the caveat that we're in with a good chance of a trophy?

We're also still in the FA Cup and the Europa, and somehow still 6th in the table despite our recent troubles. On those metrics, it would be harsh to get rid. But there is no indication that things are going to improve, performance-wise. Even in those excellent wins over Arsenal and City, they were built from a defensive, counter-attacking platform. It worked then but hasn't worked since.

The Palace, Wolves and Fulham draws were utterly depressing in all following the same pattern. The Leicester defeat was well-deserved. The only games where we've really turned it on this year was Soton and United away. The only games where players have really been let off the leash.

Other than that, there's been periods of great football - bursts against Sheff Utd, Leeds, Newcastle, Fulham, Arsenal, City, Liverpool - but it's all been less than the sum of its parts.

And the reliance on a moment of magic from Kane and Son has started to show up. The lack of a plan B, the lack of game time for Carlos V, Bale and Lucas, has started to become clear.

The alienation of Dele - way too personal for my liking; he's not been that bad whenever he's played and hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram or spoken out publicly - and the lack of goals from the support acts (Lamela, Bergwijn, Lucas, Bale) has left us creatively stuck at times without the Son/Kane combo. They have produced the lion share's of our goals, and we are left relying on a moment of brilliance from Ndombele or the odd goal here and there from someone else. It's not a great long-term strategy.

There are mitigating circumstances, of course - with Covid and the sheer number of games we've had to play in such a short space of time. By remaining in all the cups, we must have played more matches than any other side in the division.

But we also have one of the biggest squads, and a back-up striker in Carlos V who has shown he's more than decent.

Mourinho has undoubtedly done well with Ndombele and, until recently, Aurier. The same can be said for Dier and the reintroduction of Toby. He was also getting the best from Kane and Son earlier in the season.

But he has been found wanting in a number of games against younger, fresher managers and I find his football personality off-putting in the same way I did Sherwood's and sometimes AVB/Harry. His words and mind games get tiresome, especially when they don't work anymore.

Being without Harry Kane is a blow, but also an easy excuse. We should've known it was coming( for however many seasons, he always has a spell out with injuries. It's nothing new. And we've coped OK without him before).

I think there's an argument that Mourinho gets less leeway from fans because he was never wanted in the first place. I didn't want him - I've always made that clear. I thought it would end in disaster, as it nearly always does. The meltdowns at Man Utd and Chelsea were fresh in the memory and worrying.

We all knew his playing style would be troubling at times. He's not anti-football or ultra-defensive, and his teams can play some great stuff, but he is a pragmatist and that can lead to an inhibited style. It's not the free-flowing stuff we came to expect under Jol, Harry and Poch.

It was the same with Santini and AVB - the playing styles were far from great, so it was less difficult to see them go. AVB was probably harshly treated, as the form then was much better than our form right now, but I'm not sure that many were that disappointed to see him go, in hindsight.

In truth, there have been issues since January 2019 - and we've been on the decline since that point. The last 10 months or so under Poch, CL aside, was not fun.

But you always felt it could return to something great. Under Jose, I can't see a positive, rosy future long-term. We just have to work out whether it's worth it to win a trophy at long last, or if we'd prefer to see more of the old Tottenham way.

posted on 2/2/21

The question shouldn't be "should". The question should be "when"

comment by EDDIEVH (U8193)

posted on 2/2/21

comment by Phenagelsmann (U20037)
posted 18 seconds ago
Let's put it this way, I'd rather be where Leeds are in the table and watch their football rather than watch Spurs and be 6th.


Theyre only 4 points behind too
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Exactly

posted on 2/2/21

comment by Bumble (U6465)
posted 35 minutes ago
If he doesn't win you any kind of silverware this season then definitely.
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I don't think that should save him as in all likelihood the best we're gonna get is the League Cup. We've faced no one of note (aside from a fortunate Chelsea win at home on pens) so winning that will not be a sign of true progress. If we win that AND the FA Cup or EL then I might consider keeping him on.

What you have to ask yourself is were George Graham or Juande Ramos worth keeping? They're the only two managers that have won anything in the last 20 odd years and I think we'd all agree that it didn't provide any kind of springboard to success. Couple of that with the wretched football... sorry... I want Jose out now. Scrap what I just said. I don't care if he wins every cup we're in. I want him out. I can't put up with the style anymore. It's just not spurs.

posted on 2/2/21

Levy won't sack him as it reflects badly on his atrocious decision to appoint such a hopelessly mismatched manager/club possibly ever!
Looks like we're stuck with him until it hurts ENIC on the bottom line.

comment by Chronic (U3423)

posted on 2/2/21

comment by Topperspur (U22285)
posted 38 seconds ago
Levy won't sack him as it reflects badly on his atrocious decision to appoint such a hopelessly mismatched manager/club possibly ever!
Looks like we're stuck with him until it hurts ENIC on the bottom line.
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which is very soon as we have no chance of qualifying for CL unless something DRASTIC changes.

we have more chance of finishing bottom half than top 4 if we continue down this ridiculous path

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 2/2/21

comment by Topperspur (U22285)
posted 2 minutes ago
Levy won't sack him as it reflects badly on his atrocious decision to appoint such a hopelessly mismatched manager/club possibly ever!
Looks like we're stuck with him until it hurts ENIC on the bottom line.
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Not sure it reflects any more badly than it does currently with our form being shiiite.

posted on 2/2/21

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Topperspur (U22285)
posted 2 minutes ago
Levy won't sack him as it reflects badly on his atrocious decision to appoint such a hopelessly mismatched manager/club possibly ever!
Looks like we're stuck with him until it hurts ENIC on the bottom line.
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Not sure it reflects any more badly than it does currently with our form being shiiite.
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Said it at the start that Levy would have to go if and when it went t!tts up...and he should.

posted on 2/2/21

As a half decent human being, I reckon Mourinho deserves to be shot for being the sh¡t-stirring barsteward that he is. However, I think Spurs are doing well - boring but winning more games than usual.

posted on 2/2/21

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
I think the Chelsea game is big in that it will be like holding a mirror to Mourinho regarding what a change of manager for someone with fresh ideas might bring in terms of shifting the dynamics of the team.

I'd be surprised if Levy didn't have second thoughts if Chelsea were to produce an emphatic win.

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Hope this happens.

posted on 2/2/21

comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 4 minutes ago
As a half decent human being, I reckon Mourinho deserves to be shot for being the sh¡t-stirring barsteward that he is. However, I think Spurs are doing well - boring but winning more games than usual.
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