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It's time to talk about abuse

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56019232

Admin feel free to remove if you feel it is a topic best left off the boards.

It is something that has blighted our game for a long time now. Finger pointing, aye bit, aye bit yooz, different company blah blah blah

I got more and more annoyed as some people tended to use the subject as a mud slinging exercise and actualy had no care in the world about the victims. The link above is obviously about Scottish football but we all know that it is something that has happened in England and everywhere else in the world.

Aye bit England or whatever is not an acceptable stand point. That's an old company is not an acceptable stand point.

If there are suspicions - act upon it. Report it. Let the authorities investigate it properly. If someone is proven innocent then let them be. Trial by social media has no good outcome regardless of innocence - mud sticks. Right now on Twitter there is a witch hunt on a poster going on. Lots of people claiming to have seen evidence, some claiming it is not their place to report, others showing evidence that is not evidence just opinion. Let the authorities determine their innocence and if they are guilty they get banged up but right now this person's life is ruined even if proven innocent.

As a coach of youth football I know there are measures in place, however, in my opinion they are worthless. Anyone can pass a check if they haven't been caught yet.

More willingness to be open and transparent, more willingness to support the victims but also get away from this suing culture as in my opinion it prevents open and honest apologies on behalf of a club for fear of being sued another 1000 times.

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

Yes I do.. and they were wrongly castigated for it. I watched it almost destroy them to the point where they had to move hundreds of miles away due to the abuse and bullying they received. Unfounded claims too.

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

Way back in the 70’s i played football for a local boys club everything was great until this gentleman joined the club to assist with training etc ,the etc seemed to be staring at us when showering and trying to get us to do some sort of gymnastics which meant a lot of bending and lying on the floor plus he knew F all about football .He was married and always wanted to be one of the lads lots of inappropriate grabbing .He picked me up off the floor one night and i felt a definite groping of my nuts and he got a solid left hook to the nose .He left the club after that and never returned .We never talked about it at the time because i thought i would have been in the sh!t for clocking him.I’m willing to bet he moved on to somewhere else to continue his deviant practice.

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

comment by trollfecker (U5668)
posted 5 minutes ago
Way back in the 70’s i played football for a local boys club everything was great until this gentleman joined the club to assist with training etc ,the etc seemed to be staring at us when showering and trying to get us to do some sort of gymnastics which meant a lot of bending and lying on the floor plus he knew F all about football .He was married and always wanted to be one of the lads lots of inappropriate grabbing .He picked me up off the floor one night and i felt a definite groping of my nuts and he got a solid left hook to the nose .He left the club after that and never returned .We never talked about it at the time because i thought i would have been in the sh!t for clocking him.I’m willing to bet he moved on to somewhere else to continue his deviant practice.
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Nightmare man...you did the right thing lumping the guy.

Things we put up with in sixties and seventies.

I got hit by teachers, never sexual abuse, but buildings I was sent to with asthma recovery kids were later found to be abusive towards kid sexually, as we were milked from anywhere for weeks on end and no patents about.

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by trollfecker (U5668)
posted 5 minutes ago
Way back in the 70’s i played football for a local boys club everything was great until this gentleman joined the club to assist with training etc ,the etc seemed to be staring at us when showering and trying to get us to do some sort of gymnastics which meant a lot of bending and lying on the floor plus he knew F all about football .He was married and always wanted to be one of the lads lots of inappropriate grabbing .He picked me up off the floor one night and i felt a definite groping of my nuts and he got a solid left hook to the nose .He left the club after that and never returned .We never talked about it at the time because i thought i would have been in the sh!t for clocking him.I’m willing to bet he moved on to somewhere else to continue his deviant practice.
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Nightmare man...you did the right thing lumping the guy.

Things we put up with in sixties and seventies.

I got hit by teachers, never sexual abuse, but buildings I was sent to with asthma recovery kids were later found to be abusive towards kid sexually, as we were milked from anywhere for weeks on end and no patents about.
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Miles from anywhere, not milked ffs ..nurse

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

Had a mad as fck primary 6/7 teacher. Approaching retirement, only about 5'3", had fought in Burma and was decidedly old school. Reminds me of zach a bit he was that mental. Sorry, mate.

Anyway, he didn't much give a fook. There was no history, geography or anything else just serious maths and english. He'd write the morning's english on the board last thing so he could come in late. Always wore a heavy overcoat with big pockets down the stairs, always reeking of bev, always a half bottle in a pocket, always sent a boy for the coat.

He'd stride in and start asking questions on the overnight english. Get it wrong - belt - if you were a boy. Any trouble - belt - again, boys only. Onto the maths. He had us doing well advanced trig, algebra and geometry at P6.

After lunch, if it was dry, boys out to the playground to play footy, girls do what you want. Late afternoon the year classes swapped for 'handwork' only he'd teach more maths. Kids from other classes begging you for help so they didn't get the belt. On good weeks we'd fit in 10hrs of footy no problem.

Best teacher I ever had for preparing me for what lay ahead. Totally 3Rs, bit of Latin - that's it. History & Geography were stories about his war. Class covered in geometrical art.

On the other hand he'd post boys (always) down the corridor to come and tell him if another teacher was coming. Class was at a dead end. Mostly, it was just the feet on the desk. Sometimes the half bottle. Sometimes was one of his favourite boys lying on his desk - usually the only asian lad. I was a fav but was never put on the desk.

He'd run his hand up his leg and say he was beautiful. Always in front of the full class. Nothing more that I know of. No idea if he ever got reported? I'd bet that results in 11+ kept him onside with the heidy?
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Scouts - some 'division' guy and one other took me and another to a pool to do our life saving badge. Nothing happened but afterwards the 4 of us went to what is now dolce Vita opposite the Kings for a pasta. Still nothing happened and maybe the other guys was there as a chaperone? No idea but nothing happened though nowadays that sort of thing would have pitchforks out.

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
Had a mad as fck primary 6/7 teacher. Approaching retirement, only about 5'3", had fought in Burma and was decidedly old school. Reminds me of zach a bit he was that mental. Sorry, mate.

Anyway, he didn't much give a fook. There was no history, geography or anything else just serious maths and english. He'd write the morning's english on the board last thing so he could come in late. Always wore a heavy overcoat with big pockets down the stairs, always reeking of bev, always a half bottle in a pocket, always sent a boy for the coat.

He'd stride in and start asking questions on the overnight english. Get it wrong - belt - if you were a boy. Any trouble - belt - again, boys only. Onto the maths. He had us doing well advanced trig, algebra and geometry at P6.

After lunch, if it was dry, boys out to the playground to play footy, girls do what you want. Late afternoon the year classes swapped for 'handwork' only he'd teach more maths. Kids from other classes begging you for help so they didn't get the belt. On good weeks we'd fit in 10hrs of footy no problem.

Best teacher I ever had for preparing me for what lay ahead. Totally 3Rs, bit of Latin - that's it. History & Geography were stories about his war. Class covered in geometrical art.

On the other hand he'd post boys (always) down the corridor to come and tell him if another teacher was coming. Class was at a dead end. Mostly, it was just the feet on the desk. Sometimes the half bottle. Sometimes was one of his favourite boys lying on his desk - usually the only asian lad. I was a fav but was never put on the desk.

He'd run his hand up his leg and say he was beautiful. Always in front of the full class. Nothing more that I know of. No idea if he ever got reported? I'd bet that results in 11+ kept him onside with the heidy?
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Scouts - some 'division' guy and one other took me and another to a pool to do our life saving badge. Nothing happened but afterwards the 4 of us went to what is now dolce Vita opposite the Kings for a pasta. Still nothing happened and maybe the other guys was there as a chaperone? No idea but nothing happened though nowadays that sort of thing would have pitchforks out.
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Simpler times, Silver.

Or were they?

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

Early 70s. Just different.

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

This happened when i was 13 I told another mate who had been at the same boys club about and he said that it didn’t happen to him but as i pointed out at the time the guy would have needed a crane to lift him up he might have been described as a chunky monkey then .I told my dad when i was in my 40’s and he said that the toucher worked with him and always took the young apprentices out on test runs for ages ,so he could have been up to all sorts of deviant behaviour then as well .he is dead now so no one would really care for the past being dug up .

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Early 70s. Just different.
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Sorry bud, my simpler times comment was meant in sarcasm.

posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago

Spoke to a Celtic mate at work today who commented on the Celtic FC distancing from youth- boys and senior teams, in relation to abuse...basically agreeing with Ch4 news.

Whatever happens, clubs have to accept responsibility and fans need to accept the truth, be it abuse in the blue or green end of Glasgow and beyond.

It's not about us...it's about victims


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