for Spurs is going to be difficult now, it is not totally out of the question. What I don`t quite get though is the pundits are all saying Spurs have absolutely no chance, yet Liverpool are a shoe in, and Chelsea will also probably make top four. If Spurs win their game in hand of both, they will be precisely 1 point and 2 points behind both sides.
I always find it lazy journalism, when they dismiss club, without actually looking at the bigger picture. Spurs are quite capable of putting together a very decent run of results, now they have almost a fully fit side to pick from. Usually at this time of the season, the side is ravaged with injuries to key players.
Hopefully the blip in the Prem is over now, and it did actually coincide with having a few players missing, playing some of the better sides in the Prem, being involved in domestic cups and european ties, so was really to be expected, they would have a dip at some time.
Now time to regroup, and the season could still have a very favourable ending, now that the business end of the season is about to start. I am as always ever the optimist, and the team look to have got their mojo back now. Long may it continue. Now more than ever the supporters need to back the manager and the team.
Although I personally think a Top Four
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It's essential we finish in the top 4. To miss out two seasons running would be a bit of a disaster considering we had got used to being there for a few seasons on the bounce and even made it to a final! We can't fall backwards. Jose, and the team, need to step up but I agree it wont be easy now.
The most important factor is revenue though. Like everyone other club, the finances have taken a real hit this year and all those who miss out on the CL will really notice it. It's a sad state of affairs but it's true.
I know you're happy with the Europa Sandy (because it's European football) but it's not exactly progress is it? Maybe you've set your expectations lower now, Mr Positive, or whatever your name is today.
Anyway, good result yesterday, thought we looked pretty sharp. Long may it continue!
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I would prefer CL, but I like the Europa, so really makes little difference to me, as long as I get to go to some European football. Financially CL may be slightly better, I will give you that. But the bottom line is only four clubs can enter the CL every year, and two or three of them are financially doped, so is always going to be difficult to get in every year.
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Financially the CL is immensely better, not “slightly”. We earned around £100m for our CL run in 2019. A run to the EL final and you’d be lucky to generate 25% of that. The group stages of the CL generate approx £40m on their own. I like the EL as a competition, and would love us to win it, but from a prestige, cache and financial perspective it pales into comparison to the CL which is why clubs view qualification as the holy grail. It’s probably more important than ever this year with the hole that covid has left in every clubs finances, none more so than ours with the enormous stadium mortgage to pay for.
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It may be financially better, but as another poster said when you are up against financially doped club, it is very difficult to expect Spurs to finish too four every season. If they miss out, they miss out. The club won't fold though. They have only ever been in it half a dozen times in my lifetime, so not like they are regulars.
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You are simplifying this too much.
We won’t fold without it if course. But, in order to attract, buy, keep and pay the wages of better class players it is vital. Also, the club has already he financial commitments already, even before covid took away a years worth of crucial match day revenue. Without a CL income we will likely find the club channeling its revenue into debt management and not the football side of its business, meaning a regression of on-field progress.
Gambling the clubs finances on CL football and it’s amateur hour. Levy is no mug like Ridsdale for example was at Leeds, so I’m sure our different budgets are ringfenced, but there’s no question the clubs ability to progress without CL football is massively hampered.
To do it we will need to grow the academy, drastically improved our scouting and, dare I say, get a manager that isn’t a cheque book manager that relies on a player being the finished article.
I don’t think you should underestimate the impact of going out of the CL for a sustained period will have on the club having been regulars for half a decade.
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Yes of course Spurs as a club would like to be in the CL, but the old days where regular as clockwork the same four clubs took the top four places are gone now. Yes you still have a couple of financially doped clubs, but the last half a dozen years or so even Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Arsenal have had some time out of the CL, with teams like Spurs and Leicester taking their place. Now you also have other teams like Everton, West Ham, even Villa up and around the top, so eight teams into four just don`t go. So obviously some teams have to miss out every season, and maybe for more than one season.
So just because Spurs had a few seasons in the CL, don`t mean they will always be in it. Arsenal had about 20 seasons in a row, and have been nowhere near it for coming up to five seasons now.
Take away City, and it will become harder and harder to finish top four, even for clubs like United, Chelsea and Liverpool, with what looks like a levelling out of the Prem.
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"If they miss out they miss out "
Of course CL football is fundamental to the business plan we have already embarked upon - massive investment in infrastructure, increasing investment in the playing squad plus not forgetting the £50 million invested in the manager (2nd highest in the league). Good job youre not running the financial department.
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So Spurs should be in the CL every season, and City, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal etc, etc will fight for the other three places then. No club can ever say that is going to happen, when they invest.
Spurs have invested in a new stadium, but even Levy is not so stupid to think that Spurs may not always be in the CL, with the competition for just four places being so fierce.
The investment on the stadium was that other events could also take place, like American football, concerts etc. So not entirely based on whether Spurs get CL.
That the stadium has been shut for a year really should not make that much difference to the long time financial plan. A Covid financial plan would surely have been put in place, like all other big businesses have done.
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"If they miss out they miss out "
Of course CL football is fundamental to the business plan we have already embarked upon - massive investment in infrastructure, increasing investment in the playing squad plus not forgetting the £50 million invested in the manager (2nd highest in the league). Good job youre not running the financial department.
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So Spurs should be in the CL every season, and City, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal etc, etc will fight for the other three places then. No club can ever say that is going to happen, when they invest.
Spurs have invested in a new stadium, but even Levy is not so stupid to think that Spurs may not always be in the CL, with the competition for just four places being so fierce.
The investment on the stadium was that other events could also take place, like American football, concerts etc. So not entirely based on whether Spurs get CL.
That the stadium has been shut for a year really should not make that much difference to the long time financial plan. A Covid financial plan would surely have been put in place, like all other big businesses have done.
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I actually agree with Sandy. Jeez i feel dirty
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yeah theres lots of teams now that feel entitled to a CL place or are newly pushing for one. i guess why theyve introduced the conference EL thing
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It's essential we finish in the top 4. To miss out two seasons running would be a bit of a disaster considering we had got used to being there for a few seasons on the bounce and even made it to a final! We can't fall backwards. Jose, and the team, need to step up but I agree it wont be easy now.
The most important factor is revenue though. Like everyone other club, the finances have taken a real hit this year and all those who miss out on the CL will really notice it. It's a sad state of affairs but it's true.
I know you're happy with the Europa Sandy (because it's European football) but it's not exactly progress is it? Maybe you've set your expectations lower now, Mr Positive, or whatever your name is today.
Anyway, good result yesterday, thought we looked pretty sharp. Long may it continue!
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I would prefer CL, but I like the Europa, so really makes little difference to me, as long as I get to go to some European football. Financially CL may be slightly better, I will give you that. But the bottom line is only four clubs can enter the CL every year, and two or three of them are financially doped, so is always going to be difficult to get in every year.
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Financially the CL is immensely better, not “slightly”. We earned around £100m for our CL run in 2019. A run to the EL final and you’d be lucky to generate 25% of that. The group stages of the CL generate approx £40m on their own. I like the EL as a competition, and would love us to win it, but from a prestige, cache and financial perspective it pales into comparison to the CL which is why clubs view qualification as the holy grail. It’s probably more important than ever this year with the hole that covid has left in every clubs finances, none more so than ours with the enormous stadium mortgage to pay for.
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It may be financially better, but as another poster said when you are up against financially doped club, it is very difficult to expect Spurs to finish too four every season. If they miss out, they miss out. The club won't fold though. They have only ever been in it half a dozen times in my lifetime, so not like they are regulars.
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I hear what you're saying Sandy but we were managing to get consistently in the top 4 for a few seasons without much drama so there is no reason why this team and manager shouldn't be doing the same.
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Spurs did get in the top four mate, but it was nearly always at the expense of throwing cup competitions. It was usually all the eggs in one basket to finish top four. Now Spurs are getting involved in cup competitions as well, which I like, as Spurs were always a cup team over a league side. Far to long since they won the FA Cup.
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That point is kind of irrelevant Sandy. Whether it will or will not be harder to get in the CL makes no difference to the fact CL money will be a big miss to a club not getting it when they had four consecutive seasons of it.
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Look Ace, I agree obviously being in the CL will be more beneficially financially that not being in it. But only four teams every season can be in it. Unless getting in through the Europa League route.
I am sure Everton, who are about to invest in brand new stadium, would also like to be in the CL, but I doubt they are building their new stadium, on hoping they get in the CL every season, when they haven`t been near it for 30 years.
If a team can get in the CL fine, but the club should never have a financial business plan that if they don`t get in it, they will go bust. And I doubt Spurs do. Levy is no mug, he knows the sort of financial muscle he is up against in the Prem, so behind the scenes, I am sure he has a well thought out financial plan going forward. Of course he would like CL footie for more revenue, but I doubt one or two seasons out of it will kill the club.
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That point is kind of irrelevant Sandy. Whether it will or will not be harder to get in the CL makes no difference to the fact CL money will be a big miss to a club not getting it when they had four consecutive seasons of it.
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Look Ace, I agree obviously being in the CL will be more beneficially financially that not being in it. But only four teams every season can be in it. Unless getting in through the Europa League route.
I am sure Everton, who are about to invest in brand new stadium, would also like to be in the CL, but I doubt they are building their new stadium, on hoping they get in the CL every season, when they haven`t been near it for 30 years.
If a team can get in the CL fine, but the club should never have a financial business plan that if they don`t get in it, they will go bust. And I doubt Spurs do. Levy is no mug, he knows the sort of financial muscle he is up against in the Prem, so behind the scenes, I am sure he has a well thought out financial plan going forward. Of course he would like CL footie for more revenue, but I doubt one or two seasons out of it will kill the club.
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That’s what I said in my post above⬆️. The finances of the club as a going concern won’t be dependent on it, but the level of investment in the football side of things will be.
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OK, fair enough.