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Time is of the essence

I have been following the Ole in/out discussion.

United have had no real plan in the first 7 years after SAF retired. It is only with the appointment of OIe that for the first time in 7 years there seems to be a plan and a direction the club want to take and stick by.

It took Liverpool 10 years to get to where they are now. A massive club on the brink of bankruptcy. Hadnt won the PL in 30 years. FSG took over and they implemented a vision and stuck with it. Result. 1 CL final, 1 CL, 1 Supercup, 1 Worldcup and the PL. And highly attractive football, record points, etc.

City when taken over by Mansour 12 years ago put a vision in place and stuck with it. Put an academy together, put footballing people in the right spots. Won several titles, record points. And with Pep they are in their final stages of the project to win the big one.

It took both clubs 10-12 years to get to where they are now. United only started this process 2 years ago. You need to stick with it, you cannot constantly keep changing your plan.

Ole has shown progress, hasnt won trophies, but a lot of fecking work had to be done after Jose left. 3 managers in 7 years had left you with a bunch of players bought by 4 different managers.

As an outsider, based on results, Ole should at least deserve a shot a next season. He has earned that much.

posted 6 days, 20 hours ago

comment by rosso - he hands you a nickel, and he hands you a dime, and he asks you with a grin if you're havin' a good time (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
You were in decline and disarray when he took over though
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Only because Mourinho was being a cuuuuunt. Nobody was saying that when we finished second. People act like the club was broken and the team was a midtable one, it wasn’t.
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Well, the club was still broken
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You know what I mean. We weren’t Arsenal.

People have convinced themselves that things were so bad that the squad needed to be completely rebuilt from one that can compete for the top four to one that can compete for the top four.

posted 6 days ago

comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 20 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by rosso - he hands you a nickel, and he hands you a dime, and he asks you with a grin if you're havin' a good time (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
You were in decline and disarray when he took over though
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Only because Mourinho was being a cuuuuunt. Nobody was saying that when we finished second. People act like the club was broken and the team was a midtable one, it wasn’t.
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Well, the club was still broken
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You know what I mean. We weren’t Arsenal.

People have convinced themselves that things were so bad that the squad needed to be completely rebuilt from one that can compete for the top four to one that can compete for the top four.
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You weren't competing for top 4 when he took over. And you needed new players like Bruno to get you where you are now.

posted 5 days, 19 hours ago

Yes because it was third season Mourinho, not because the squad was incapable. We could have even finished top four that season, but Ole ran the team into the ground and we went to shiiiiit in the last few games.

That we’ve signed Bruno, and are still playing at a similar level to what we were under Mourinho and Van Gaal, doesn’t say much about the ‘progression’ and ‘rebuild’ that we’ve supposedly had under Ole.

posted 5 days, 19 hours ago

The philsophy's different, Daz, which is why I cut him the slack I do.

LVG and Mourinho were masters of sucking any joy out of the game, and they were good at it. Ole might be too cautious, and almost certainly doesn't set us up right but I dont think he's lost sight of why we all love the game like those two have.

posted 5 days, 18 hours ago

Different philosophies, but the football’s still shiiiiit, so I don’t agree he hasn’t lost sight of why we love football. I actually think it’s more unforgivable that we’ve ended up like this under him, as he knows he game with United.

Mourinho and LVG were experienced, pig headed winners that didn’t care about it. Ole’s a novice at this level that has no credentials to fall back on to justify the crap served up like they did.

posted 5 days, 18 hours ago

comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
Different philosophies, but the football’s still shiiiiit, so I don’t agree he hasn’t lost sight of why we love football. I actually think it’s more unforgivable that we’ve ended up like this under him, as he knows he game with United.

Mourinho and LVG were experienced, pig headed winners that didn’t care about it. Ole’s a novice at this level that has no credentials to fall back on to justify the crap served up like they did.
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So it's competent evil vs incompent naivety?

Yikes

posted 5 days, 18 hours ago

Unlike some, I don’t think Ole is incompetent, or naive. We wouldn’t have got the results we have if he was. It’s not like it’s a squad that is so incredible that it can carry a manager that is completely clueless.

That we’re at a similar level to what we were under LVG and Mourinho - two incredibly experienced managers at the world’s biggest clubs - says a lot for him, especially when we’ve seen some terrible runs, as he’s been able to manage the situation and keep everyone at the club happy.

I’m just questioning the notion of the rebuild and progress, when there’s not been much change there.

posted 5 days, 18 hours ago

Ole is ole

posted 5 days, 18 hours ago

comment by Shola The Ameobi Shoretire (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Unlike some, I don’t think Ole is incompetent, or naive. We wouldn’t have got the results we have if he was. It’s not like it’s a squad that is so incredible that it can carry a manager that is completely clueless.

That we’re at a similar level to what we were under LVG and Mourinho - two incredibly experienced managers at the world’s biggest clubs - says a lot for him, especially when we’ve seen some terrible runs, as he’s been able to manage the situation and keep everyone at the club happy.

I’m just questioning the notion of the rebuild and progress, when there’s not been much change there.
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First close season with the new management team, let's see what they can do. The managers job is to get the best out of what they get him and what he's already got.

posted 5 days, 17 hours ago

Yep and the results haven’t been too far away from where they should be. But the performances are a long way off what these players are capable of, in my opinion.

People think getting the best out of the players is the scoreline and the league table. It’s far more than that. We’ve wasted years of the club’s potential because the people running it are too dumb to realise that too.

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