Lets assume that the Premier League crumble and do not evict the teams, so the ESL goes ahead as planned.
Clubs like Spurs, Arsenal, and others are a long way from competing with the best sides in the league. They need to sack their manager, revamp the squad. Will be very expensive with a slim chance of success.
But the owners know the revenues are guaranteed regardless of success.
So why spend all that money sacking Jose, signing defenders, tying Kane and Son down to big contracts?
It makes more sense to let Jose's contract run down for the next 3/4 years. Accept he won't turn things around, and refuse to spend any money on new signings.
Put all the income from guaranteed participation into the bank and save it all up for a huge war chest in 4 years time with the best manager in the world attracted to the budget.
In the meantime it would be preferable to get the expensive contracts off the wage bill, especially if they will be beyond their peak in 4 years time.
It doesn't really matter if you lose 18 games a season in the ESL. It also doesn't matter that you have finished 15th every season in the Premier League.
You now can spend all the money saved, hoovering up all the biggest talent in the world at the time with a budget that the previous winners cannot compete with. You can even borrow against future income to double to budget because there is no way of being relegated. The money will soon run out now because you have over spent you will have a great chance of winning the ESL 3 years in a row.
This will be a cycle that clubs fall in to with around a 4 or 5 teams actually capable of competing at a time. The remaining 15/16 teams storing up the cash for their turn.
This will render the league stage of the competition meaningless because there are only 4 or 5 teams capable of making the semi finals.
I don't see how they can avoid this strategy falling into place with the need for proper qualification/relegation.
But if this strategy becomes a reality as expected, then who is going to pay to watch the league stage? It will effectively become hundreds of pre-season friendlies between the biggest clubs in Europe.
The other problem the league will have is that the vast majority of players will lose out. I know that many fans will not be too concerned about this, and understandably so. But this is another problem the ESL need to consider, because they need the players.
With only 4 or 5 teams willing to compete each seasons there will only be 4 or 5 teams prepared to pay big salaries. So the top 100 players in the world, and 5 Managers, will end up on massive salaries. But the drop to the best of the rest will be huge. Because the rest of the league will be in money saving mode.
All of this will result in a worthless product that is unwatchable. And that's when it will hopefully all in disaster for the owners and clubs involved. Mostly the owners.
The result of a closed ESL.....
posted on 19/4/21
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
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The Premier League will quickly regret allowing these 6 clubs to continue because as soon as one of them pulls away, ie Man City this season. The other clubs have no incentive to finish up the league.
There will be minimal financial incentive and no sporting incentive in that they are already guaranteed qualification for the ESL next season.
So those thinking it won't effect the Premier League must have missed the constant coverage of the battle for top 4 (Champions League), and top 6/7 (Uefa Cup) over the last 30 years. And if you have missed that, you've been watching a different sport.
Qualification for Europe is more often than not the most exciting challenge towards the end of the season. Without that a lot of seasons would have been boring and therefore less valuable to broadcasters.
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The TV value is mostly Liverpool and United, it doesn’t matter how well they are doing. It’s like Spain, Barça and Real could be the bottom 2 in the league, but they still will be the most watched.
Too many are thinking about this purely as fans, the chairman won’t be and that’s where the power lies
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if Man U finished bottom 4 years in a row those glory hunting fans all around the world will leave in there droves
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The thing is that Man U wouldn't need fans. They could lose all their fans for them 4 years as long as enough people tune in to watch the league as a whole. Because Man U could easily survive from the share of the revenue. And when it comes to spending the money for a ESL title challenge the fans may just come straight back?
Or do the owners just keep pocketing the profits and never bother investing for a title challenge in that situation?
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Spot on, let’s say United have a terrible decade, those “United fans” would become Barça or Real fans, then when the tide turns they would go back to being United fans - like it or not, that is how a lot of these international supporters are.
You can’t live with an outdated notion of being loyal to one team - we are the dinosaurs.
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Shouldn't Man U fans leave now and start supporting their local club instead?
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United are second, and Ole keeps trying to kid them that they are in a title race
posted on 19/4/21
this super league is of absolutely no interest for me.
the cl is only slightly more interesting to me.
until Leeds make it into the europeon spots i watch only sparingly unit the semis and finals.
i know exactly the type of football fans that will be most interested. they have little interest in any of the domestic leagues and tune in every 4 years for the world cup or the olympics.
these people are not football fans but will tune into man utd against real because they've heard of them.
that will not last and we'll be stuck with a not so super league.
tbh it doesn't sound too super now and a game hasn't even been played.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
The Premier League will quickly regret allowing these 6 clubs to continue because as soon as one of them pulls away, ie Man City this season. The other clubs have no incentive to finish up the league.
There will be minimal financial incentive and no sporting incentive in that they are already guaranteed qualification for the ESL next season.
So those thinking it won't effect the Premier League must have missed the constant coverage of the battle for top 4 (Champions League), and top 6/7 (Uefa Cup) over the last 30 years. And if you have missed that, you've been watching a different sport.
Qualification for Europe is more often than not the most exciting challenge towards the end of the season. Without that a lot of seasons would have been boring and therefore less valuable to broadcasters.
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your top 4 spots, which are normally occupied by teams out of the big 6. These 6 teams are gone. So the PL champion will not be playing in the CL, that will be your number 5-8 now. The battle for top 4 will be gone. This would now probably result in a battle for for top 5-8. EL spots will now be 9-11.
posted on 19/4/21
comment by TENƎꓕ (U17162)
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comment by Hamilton Fox (U22508)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 44 seconds ago
The Premier League will quickly regret allowing these 6 clubs to continue because as soon as one of them pulls away, ie Man City this season. The other clubs have no incentive to finish up the league.
There will be minimal financial incentive and no sporting incentive in that they are already guaranteed qualification for the ESL next season.
So those thinking it won't effect the Premier League must have missed the constant coverage of the battle for top 4 (Champions League), and top 6/7 (Uefa Cup) over the last 30 years. And if you have missed that, you've been watching a different sport.
Qualification for Europe is more often than not the most exciting challenge towards the end of the season. Without that a lot of seasons would have been boring and therefore less valuable to broadcasters.
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The TV value is mostly Liverpool and United, it doesn’t matter how well they are doing. It’s like Spain, Barça and Real could be the bottom 2 in the league, but they still will be the most watched.
Too many are thinking about this purely as fans, the chairman won’t be and that’s where the power lies
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if Man U finished bottom 4 years in a row those glory hunting fans all around the world will leave in there droves
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Except in the last 8 years United haven't really won anything of note except for an FA Cup, have fans left in droves?
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No but thats because there was always the hope of the PL or the cups at the start of a season. And if you are a true fan, you dont stop supporting your club. That doesnt apply to global fans though, different mind set.
As for the ESL, United Barca 4 times a year becomes a meaningless match when nothing is riding on it.
Unless the ESL final gets the status of a CL final.
The CL final dwarfs every other sporting match in terms of viewers. Even a super bowl match.
https://footballwhispers.com/blog/super-bowl-champions-league-final-biggest-event/
posted on 19/4/21
comment by Sut mine klunker - Admin 5 (U1250)
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comment by TENƎꓕ (U17162)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hamilton Fox (U22508)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 (U18109)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by HaveFaithInLeeds (U8688)
posted 44 seconds ago
The Premier League will quickly regret allowing these 6 clubs to continue because as soon as one of them pulls away, ie Man City this season. The other clubs have no incentive to finish up the league.
There will be minimal financial incentive and no sporting incentive in that they are already guaranteed qualification for the ESL next season.
So those thinking it won't effect the Premier League must have missed the constant coverage of the battle for top 4 (Champions League), and top 6/7 (Uefa Cup) over the last 30 years. And if you have missed that, you've been watching a different sport.
Qualification for Europe is more often than not the most exciting challenge towards the end of the season. Without that a lot of seasons would have been boring and therefore less valuable to broadcasters.
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The TV value is mostly Liverpool and United, it doesn’t matter how well they are doing. It’s like Spain, Barça and Real could be the bottom 2 in the league, but they still will be the most watched.
Too many are thinking about this purely as fans, the chairman won’t be and that’s where the power lies
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if Man U finished bottom 4 years in a row those glory hunting fans all around the world will leave in there droves
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Except in the last 8 years United haven't really won anything of note except for an FA Cup, have fans left in droves?
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No but thats because there was always the hope of the PL or the cups at the start of a season. And if you are a true fan, you dont stop supporting your club. That doesnt apply to global fans though, different mind set.
As for the ESL, United Barca 4 times a year becomes a meaningless match when nothing is riding on it.
Unless the ESL final gets the status of a CL final.
The CL final dwarfs every other sporting match in terms of viewers. Even a super bowl match.
https://footballwhispers.com/blog/super-bowl-champions-league-final-biggest-event/
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A Champions League final is 1 match and will mean diddly squat if it’s Seville vs Lazio, more would tune into a United vs Barça dead rubber.
Of course the first match would be more interesting and should be more prestigious - but that’s not how this works, it’s what games a global audience wants to see the most - and that is the big teams
posted on 19/4/21
I really hope the PL (and other leagues involved) give these 12 clubs, and whoever else is mulling it, a simple ultimatum: go and you are no longer a member of our leagues. Strip them of the right. Eff them.
posted on 19/4/21
Stolen from BBC website
Los Angeles-based Arsenal podcaster Jessica Black, from The She Knows podcast, told BBC Radio 5 Live: "I wish we were talking under different circumstances. Watching sports in America you can easily turn it off and turn it back on. When your team isn't doing well - because there isn't a lot of jeopardy, you can turn it off.
"The difference between American sports and English football is that jeopardy. The feeling anyone can do something magical. Those stories don't exist in American sport and that is why I love watching English sport. It is more sterile in America and I hate to see English football if that is what we are looking at in the future.
"I don't want to see Arsenal in some closed leagues, where it doesn't matter if we lose or we win. The American owners are having a hard time upholding the expectation of the fans. Arsenal fans have never felt less of a priority than they do now. This is the straw that broke the camel's back. The nail in the coffin, the club feel further away to the club than ever before and I don't think the Kroenke's care. A lot of fans will slip through the cracks."
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This is exactly what I expect to happen, a sterile pointless league for the majority of the season.
If you're happy with the idea of the ESL then you haven't experienced the incredible joy of being in love with a football club. And you are missing out.
posted on 19/4/21
American sports (the franchise model) is sh 1 te.
Fans are BS'd on a daily basis that they think it's
real sport. In it's truest sense. It's not. It's primarily
set up to make owners money. A lot of money. And
those owners that choose to eff fans over with poor
management and poor teams, have no fear of fan
back lash. Their ownership is protected by the
ownership group.
That's the beauty of football and it's
system or rewarding greatness and punishing
failure.
posted on 19/4/21
We suffered for years and years with 2 relegations. And I would never want that taking away from us. It's what makes following Leeds so great. What makes the last 3 years so overwhelming. And you know what I really enjoyed my season ticket in League 1 for 3 years.
The hardest bits were the nothing years in Championship.
Even in League 1 we all had hope. We have so much hope now of making Europe. So do so many clubs.
Even you take away the trepidation you ruin football.
But if you take away the hope then you take everything away from football. You destroy the whole thing.
posted on 19/4/21
this will happen, believe me it will, let them go, let them bring their own demise, nothing fans can do, they have accounted for all that