Further protests

I'm not financially savvy enough to work out whether, if they did have some Road to Damascus moment and decided to really push the footballing side it's even financially viable any more.

I'm assuming loan repayments and interest charges are the biggest chunk of outlay as the debt's increasing and revenues have fallen, and it's unlikely they'll stop the dividend payments (which they took this year regardless of what's been going on).

Maybe the way they've structured the finance there's nowhere else to go except where we are now?

I think the debt maybe a good thing in selling the club. They won’t get what the club is worth today, and would have to drop the price, if the debt is still left on the club.

But at the same time the debt is very manageable.
I don’t think they are too concerned with it.
If they got it down to 200 million. For UTD that’s nothing really...
But they have to come correct, do what’s right by the club. They have been facking around for too long.

comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
If you’re more worried about a points deduction than the future of your club then the protests probably aren’t for you.

Solidarity to the Utd fans ✊🏿 Let’s drive these parasites out of our game
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There's a third option and it's sort of where I sit - if the action doesn't get rid and we end up with points deducted or whatever, then what? What would actually satisfy people in this situation? A slight fear is that they decide to sell but I have no idea how long that could take and in the meantime they don't see the need to invest.

We're all still discussing who we need to buy in the summer, what's to stop them thinking 'bah, we've a squad suitable for top 6, that's fine, no point spending money there', sort of thing.

Before anyone starts I'm not saying do nothing, I'm not saying I love the Glazers, I just see it as fairly realistic that they still own the club in 2 years but if we get points deductions and what have you in the meantime, don't get cl football etc, what's it actually been for?

I don't think the fan base has a solid objective in terms of a collective movement. I see different people wanting different things and I'm not sure what the actual end goal is. So for what of a better phrase, what's the point?
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The basic point is to obviously to get the Glazers out of the club

How organised it becomes and for how long the protests last is anyone's guess at this stage.

Like most protests there is usually an element of no pain no gain and I'm wondering if this will be the mindset of any organised campaign by utd fans.

If that's the case any points deductions if it were to happen would likely be viewed as hurtng the owners financially as much if not more than it would be hurting the onfield ambitions of the team and the fans.

If continued the protests would ultimately be bad for business and revenue which is the bottom line for these owners.

comment by The Post Nearly Man. Fckthglzrs. (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
If you’re more worried about a points deduction than the future of your club then the protests probably aren’t for you.

Solidarity to the Utd fans ✊🏿 Let’s drive these parasites out of our game
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There's a third option and it's sort of where I sit - if the action doesn't get rid and we end up with points deducted or whatever, then what? What would actually satisfy people in this situation? A slight fear is that they decide to sell but I have no idea how long that could take and in the meantime they don't see the need to invest.

We're all still discussing who we need to buy in the summer, what's to stop them thinking 'bah, we've a squad suitable for top 6, that's fine, no point spending money there', sort of thing.

Before anyone starts I'm not saying do nothing, I'm not saying I love the Glazers, I just see it as fairly realistic that they still own the club in 2 years but if we get points deductions and what have you in the meantime, don't get cl football etc, what's it actually been for?

I don't think the fan base has a solid objective in terms of a collective movement. I see different people wanting different things and I'm not sure what the actual end goal is. So for what of a better phrase, what's the point?
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Yeah, the frustration's pretty simple to understand, the solution less so. Whether you agree with them or not it boils down to

- £1.1bn leaving the club in dividends and loan payments that could have been invested in infrastructure or transfers

- A huge debt imposed on a club that hasn't been in debt since the 30s

- The feeling that the ownership is focused on financial gain, not sporting success, leading to utter mismanagement of the football club (not the business)

The counter to this is that they've spent $750m on transfers or whatever, so people should be satisfied. But United are the fourth biggest revenue generators - they should be blowing the competition away with that revenue, not servicing debt and paying dividends while the ground decays, and funding transfers from what's left.

To balance this, the Glazers have massively increased revenues, so they're taking a huge chunk of a bigger pie, but every other club's increasing revenues now, so what's their edge?

I think the only realistic outcome that could make people slightly happier is a commitment to sporting, rather than financial excellence. They're not going anywhere.
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What can the owners do, beyond sanctioning the spend they have already, to commit to sporting excellence?

if I was running this thing my objectives would be as follows.

Step 1 - Get the owners attention.

Step 2 - De-value their product

Step 3 - Find an investor who fits the bill and support their bid to invest / buy the club.

Step 1 is the easiest. Step 2 will take time and hurt a lot of fans. Step 3 is the biggest ask however.

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Fckthglzrs. (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
If you’re more worried about a points deduction than the future of your club then the protests probably aren’t for you.

Solidarity to the Utd fans ✊🏿 Let’s drive these parasites out of our game
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There's a third option and it's sort of where I sit - if the action doesn't get rid and we end up with points deducted or whatever, then what? What would actually satisfy people in this situation? A slight fear is that they decide to sell but I have no idea how long that could take and in the meantime they don't see the need to invest.

We're all still discussing who we need to buy in the summer, what's to stop them thinking 'bah, we've a squad suitable for top 6, that's fine, no point spending money there', sort of thing.

Before anyone starts I'm not saying do nothing, I'm not saying I love the Glazers, I just see it as fairly realistic that they still own the club in 2 years but if we get points deductions and what have you in the meantime, don't get cl football etc, what's it actually been for?

I don't think the fan base has a solid objective in terms of a collective movement. I see different people wanting different things and I'm not sure what the actual end goal is. So for what of a better phrase, what's the point?
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Yeah, the frustration's pretty simple to understand, the solution less so. Whether you agree with them or not it boils down to

- £1.1bn leaving the club in dividends and loan payments that could have been invested in infrastructure or transfers

- A huge debt imposed on a club that hasn't been in debt since the 30s

- The feeling that the ownership is focused on financial gain, not sporting success, leading to utter mismanagement of the football club (not the business)

The counter to this is that they've spent $750m on transfers or whatever, so people should be satisfied. But United are the fourth biggest revenue generators - they should be blowing the competition away with that revenue, not servicing debt and paying dividends while the ground decays, and funding transfers from what's left.

To balance this, the Glazers have massively increased revenues, so they're taking a huge chunk of a bigger pie, but every other club's increasing revenues now, so what's their edge?

I think the only realistic outcome that could make people slightly happier is a commitment to sporting, rather than financial excellence. They're not going anywhere.
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What can the owners do, beyond sanctioning the spend they have already, to commit to sporting excellence?
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Why do you think there's nothing they can do?

People worrying about points deductions over trying to get them parasites out are totally missing the point.

Don't care if they deduct us 10 PTS and we have to win the Europa final to qualify. The opportunity to try and get these parasites out far outweighs possibly losing out on the CL.

comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
People worrying about points deductions over trying to get them parasites out are totally missing the point.

Don't care if they deduct us 10 PTS and we have to win the Europa final to qualify. The opportunity to try and get these parasites out far outweighs possibly losing out on the CL.


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comment by The Post Nearly Man. Fckthglzrs. (U1270)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Fckthglzrs. (U1270)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Shark Lives Matter #SLM 🐟 (U22339)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
If you’re more worried about a points deduction than the future of your club then the protests probably aren’t for you.

Solidarity to the Utd fans ✊🏿 Let’s drive these parasites out of our game
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There's a third option and it's sort of where I sit - if the action doesn't get rid and we end up with points deducted or whatever, then what? What would actually satisfy people in this situation? A slight fear is that they decide to sell but I have no idea how long that could take and in the meantime they don't see the need to invest.

We're all still discussing who we need to buy in the summer, what's to stop them thinking 'bah, we've a squad suitable for top 6, that's fine, no point spending money there', sort of thing.

Before anyone starts I'm not saying do nothing, I'm not saying I love the Glazers, I just see it as fairly realistic that they still own the club in 2 years but if we get points deductions and what have you in the meantime, don't get cl football etc, what's it actually been for?

I don't think the fan base has a solid objective in terms of a collective movement. I see different people wanting different things and I'm not sure what the actual end goal is. So for what of a better phrase, what's the point?
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Yeah, the frustration's pretty simple to understand, the solution less so. Whether you agree with them or not it boils down to

- £1.1bn leaving the club in dividends and loan payments that could have been invested in infrastructure or transfers

- A huge debt imposed on a club that hasn't been in debt since the 30s

- The feeling that the ownership is focused on financial gain, not sporting success, leading to utter mismanagement of the football club (not the business)

The counter to this is that they've spent $750m on transfers or whatever, so people should be satisfied. But United are the fourth biggest revenue generators - they should be blowing the competition away with that revenue, not servicing debt and paying dividends while the ground decays, and funding transfers from what's left.

To balance this, the Glazers have massively increased revenues, so they're taking a huge chunk of a bigger pie, but every other club's increasing revenues now, so what's their edge?

I think the only realistic outcome that could make people slightly happier is a commitment to sporting, rather than financial excellence. They're not going anywhere.
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What can the owners do, beyond sanctioning the spend they have already, to commit to sporting excellence?g they could, although I'm confident many would feel that.
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Why do you think there's nothing they can do?
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I didnt say there was nothing they could, although I think my would believe that to be the case

comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
People worrying about points deductions over trying to get them parasites out are totally missing the point.

Don't care if they deduct us 10 PTS and we have to win the Europa final to qualify. The opportunity to try and get these parasites out far outweighs possibly losing out on the CL.


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Qualifying via the Europa would defeat the purpose of having league points deducted though.