If the kes are truly serious about intending to back the team with money for a 3 year rebuild project then Zidane is far better qualified to get that job done than Arteta. He's an upgrade in every single way, to the point it's easy to believe/accept that Arteta could even have achieved CL and a real title challenge this season and STILL been sacked to get Zidane. So Josh can easily hide behind Zidane's pedigree as justification for sacking Mikel.
Particularly as they already came out publicly saying they'd back Arteta. Nobody gets egg on their face for appointing a moron then having to sack him because he was so bad, if the kes "Oh yeah but ZZ wasn't available then, if he had been then he would be the Arsenal manager already. Things change sometimes but we wish Mikel all the best and thank him for his service to the club" I'm not sure on whether Zidane has already got his next job option but I don't see how any serious owner can pass up taking a crack at replacing a record breaking failure with a record breaking legend.
Could be just the man to take the young talent we have, use it properly adding more gradually and building the next great Arsenal team. I'm damned sure at the least he can build the next Arsenal CL team and if this seasons table is anything to go by, he can get them there for 22/23 and all.
ARTETA OUT!
Sack Arteta And Get Zidane
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
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His pedigree and experience. He's not someone I see as necessarily HAVING to have a Real bankroll to build a good football team. Just someone who had the quality to be given the job that bankroll came with pretty much straight off the bat. And remember I'm talking about getting this team that would already be in Europe next season if Arteta wasn't totally clueless. Back to EL at the least and maybe even CL for 22/23 (I don't fancy Arteta's chances at all).
Given that the team plus loanees back is already strong enough to get the job done, why you think Zidane would need vast cash injections for that, I don't know. Now if you're talking WIN the PL or CL then yes but our immediate goal is a return to European (preferably CL) football, it's a much lower bar and we already have the players to do it without a big cash outlay first. Once back in CL, then he/we would need to be concerned with needing big money. But for now it just needs a manager with some kinda clue how to manage a team of players and it'll be a cake walk back to Europe for one with as much of a clue as Zidane.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
Lets face it. Only an idiot would back Arteta with bucket loads of money after watching how poorly Partey and Gabriel have performed under Arteta.
But for whatever reason Kroenke doesn't have the balls to sack Arteta either. Which is not surprising because he kept Wenger in charge for far longer than he deserved.
So we are stuck.
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He never kept Wenger because he didn't have the balls to sack him, he kept him because he was a cash cow with CL qualification on a budget nobody else could do it with for 15 years.
Wenger did not ruin AFC KE has. By undermining Wenger's efforts with his "I'm gonna run this like my US franchises approach to his PL team and a repeated hamstringing on fees every transfer market for a decade. Wenger held the rot off as long as it could have been held.
Wenger made his errors but the number one obstacle to him recreating his early success was the ke way of doing things.Same thing we've seen feckin stuff up even worse since Wenger left. So instead of fans still continuing to blame Wenger for the mess we're now in, they should just be grateful it never happened 10 years earlier. He was the dam that finally burst under the pressure of holding all that water back. Not the flooding waters that drowned and still are drowning the the club, THAT WAS STAN and his kid.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Kroenke_out (U21076)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
Zidane's success at Madrid was all about man management and handling the egos in the dressing room, the Arsenal job is a totally different proposition. Also not the right manager to bring through the youth as others have said. Any top manager with common sense would stay well clear of us right now, the job is a bit of a poisoned chalice. Poor squad, not much money, no direction from the owners/board but expectations are still high.
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But to be fair a vacant job is rarely going to be available at a club where everything is rosy.
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Managers can underperform but the club can have potential to do much better like Tuchel and Chelsea, the only way was up for him and the squad they have but with Arsenal there's more risk than upside for any top tier established manager.
posted on 7/6/21
Tbf when you look across the road at the embarrassment of Conte rejecting Spurs and Levy, I can sort of understand why they aren't going for it, even though I agree with you.
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True
posted on 7/6/21
Managers can underperform but the club can have potential to do much better like Tuchel and Chelsea, the only way was up for him and the squad they have but with Arsenal there's more risk than upside for any top tier established manager.
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We really are in a similar "Only way is up," position though. You talk about it as though Arteta's dire showing getting to 8 points of CL aren't direct and CRYSTAL clarification that a manager of Zidane's quality could comfortably achieve EL if not CL footy without breaking a sweat, with this squad.
Comes down to whether you think Zidane could substantially outdo Arteta using the same players and I'm in a "Hell yeah he could, EASILY," camp. So IMO with Zidane-Arsenal, there's no "It'll trash my rep if I fail," for him to even have to worry about for at least one if not two seasons. Thanks to Arteta, the bar is so low he can step over it and he'd be odds on to be the man who returned us to the CL. He just has to tell good players how to play ffs, something Arteta can't do.
You maybe should take into account that I'm of the mind that half the posters on the boards could have picked more successful teams this season than Arteta, his feck up has been an easily avoided DOOZY!
posted on 7/6/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
What makes you sure Zidane without money would work at Arsenal?
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His pedigree and experience. He's not someone I see as necessarily HAVING to have a Real bankroll to build a good football team. Just someone who had the quality to be given the job that bankroll came with pretty much straight off the bat. And remember I'm talking about getting this team that would already be in Europe next season if Arteta wasn't totally clueless. Back to EL at the least and maybe even CL for 22/23 (I don't fancy Arteta's chances at all).
Given that the team plus loanees back is already strong enough to get the job done, why you think Zidane would need vast cash injections for that, I don't know. Now if you're talking WIN the PL or CL then yes but our immediate goal is a return to European (preferably CL) football, it's a much lower bar and we already have the players to do it without a big cash outlay first. Once back in CL, then he/we would need to be concerned with needing big money. But for now it just needs a manager with some kinda clue how to manage a team of players and it'll be a cake walk back to Europe for one with as much of a clue as Zidane.
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Ah I see another one who believes in miracles.
posted on 7/6/21
Chelsea and Tuchel is in a complete different situation than Arsenal ffs.
posted on 7/6/21
Zidane completely underrated at Real this past season.
Top manager. Never gonna happen at Arsenal.
posted on 7/6/21
Has he won a trophy with Real this season? This is what it is all about.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 12 minutes ago
Has he won a trophy with Real this season? This is what it is all about.
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Not at Arsenal right now it isn't. Thanks to Mikel ArTiTa, here it's about a definite return to European football, preferably CL. His record bomb season 7th place proves the only thing this current squad of players needs for European football, is a manager with the ability to manage. Which makes a manager of Zidane's calibre pretty much a sure thing.
As for believing in miracles, the whole post was never actually meant to be about whether he'd come or not. It was about the announcement ArTiTa would be backed in the market being yet another blag. And how if the kes weren't full of sh !t about spending money they'd be making an immediate approach/enquiry to at least TRY to sign Zidane, so it was him spending the cash instead of ArTiTa. Especially with Zidane representing a ridiculously higher chance of a good return for their spend.
Ya really should READ articles properly before you start witcha self