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comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
I am still happy with Option 1. Why change a winning combination.
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Yeah, you'd better run with that!

I've always been in favor of #4.
But if not 4 then 5.
Joe Lewis has to sell out and move on. Levy is simply Lewis' dogs body.
Until then......this club will be a mediocrity.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
4.5

I'm going for a separate one not on the list. For me the model at City is perfect. They have to do things in the right way as they have a certain PR brand to uphold owing to the Abu Dhabi's checkered history regarding human rights. We're not going to change policy in the Middle East so I don't think we should be restricting ourselves to owners with a clean rap sheet. I mean, some suggest Abromovich earned or inherited his money from questionable means. If you dig deep enough you'll find dirt on everyone. The Saudi group that tried to buy out Newcastle I'd argue have as bad a past as Abu Dhabi yet one went through and the other didn't. I'm at ease with being owned by a bunch of b'stards. The biggest clubs in the world are doing it, why not us? The alternative is American ownership that don't care about the sport unless it comes with great riches.

I'd much rather Spurs be someone's play thing than an investment opportunity.
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So much of what is wrong at spurs is around the people they have in key positions. I'd suggest your scouting and transfer set up is flawed looking at your signings over recent seasons. FSG would get far more stick I'm sure if we weren't so spot on firstly with getting klopp in and just as important, getting transfers right.
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I'm not sure what the relevance is to that response but let's be honest, whilst you've spent very well you've hit numbers both in wages and in transfer fees we just wouldn't spend. You have a history of dominance, yes even as far back as the eighties, that means your fan base will always dwarf ours, therefore your coffers will to. To put it down entirely to recruitment is ridiculous. You built a great side and reinvested the Coutinho cash superbly but these things are always cyclical. You'll get recruitment wrong again, and we'll get it right but the truth is that both ourselves and Liverpool need to have the perfect structure with the perfect manager and the perfect players to be able to floor big hitters like City and Chelsea. They can be terrible but pay their way out of trouble. It's depressing that our chances of success are not measured by the players or management we bring in, it's down to a nameless oligarch giving us the thumbs up or thumbs down.

We protest against the greed of the ESL and hail their defeat as a victory for football and all the while the Champions League final is contested by two financially doped clubs. The hypocrisy is astounding.

The only way we're gonna win is by getting in mega, mega rich owners but I can't see that happening for years, decades even.

The only way we're gonna win is by getting in mega, mega rich owners but I can't see that happening for years, decades even.
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Joe Lewis is on his way out.
It will happen soon, but not soon enough.
My guess....next 5 years.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
4.5

I'm going for a separate one not on the list. For me the model at City is perfect. They have to do things in the right way as they have a certain PR brand to uphold owing to the Abu Dhabi's checkered history regarding human rights. We're not going to change policy in the Middle East so I don't think we should be restricting ourselves to owners with a clean rap sheet. I mean, some suggest Abromovich earned or inherited his money from questionable means. If you dig deep enough you'll find dirt on everyone. The Saudi group that tried to buy out Newcastle I'd argue have as bad a past as Abu Dhabi yet one went through and the other didn't. I'm at ease with being owned by a bunch of b'stards. The biggest clubs in the world are doing it, why not us? The alternative is American ownership that don't care about the sport unless it comes with great riches.

I'd much rather Spurs be someone's play thing than an investment opportunity.
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So much of what is wrong at spurs is around the people they have in key positions. I'd suggest your scouting and transfer set up is flawed looking at your signings over recent seasons. FSG would get far more stick I'm sure if we weren't so spot on firstly with getting klopp in and just as important, getting transfers right.
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I'm not sure what the relevance is to that response but let's be honest, whilst you've spent very well you've hit numbers both in wages and in transfer fees we just wouldn't spend. You have a history of dominance, yes even as far back as the eighties, that means your fan base will always dwarf ours, therefore your coffers will to. To put it down entirely to recruitment is ridiculous. You built a great side and reinvested the Coutinho cash superbly but these things are always cyclical. You'll get recruitment wrong again, and we'll get it right but the truth is that both ourselves and Liverpool need to have the perfect structure with the perfect manager and the perfect players to be able to floor big hitters like City and Chelsea. They can be terrible but pay their way out of trouble. It's depressing that our chances of success are not measured by the players or management we bring in, it's down to a nameless oligarch giving us the thumbs up or thumbs down.

We protest against the greed of the ESL and hail their defeat as a victory for football and all the while the Champions League final is contested by two financially doped clubs. The hypocrisy is astounding.

The only way we're gonna win is by getting in mega, mega rich owners but I can't see that happening for years, decades even.
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Very well said. The only way Spurs were ever going to be on a level playing field with the financially doped clubs was to join them. That chance has now come and gone for the time being, so not really sure of the way forward.

comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
4.5

I'm going for a separate one not on the list. For me the model at City is perfect. They have to do things in the right way as they have a certain PR brand to uphold owing to the Abu Dhabi's checkered history regarding human rights. We're not going to change policy in the Middle East so I don't think we should be restricting ourselves to owners with a clean rap sheet. I mean, some suggest Abromovich earned or inherited his money from questionable means. If you dig deep enough you'll find dirt on everyone. The Saudi group that tried to buy out Newcastle I'd argue have as bad a past as Abu Dhabi yet one went through and the other didn't. I'm at ease with being owned by a bunch of b'stards. The biggest clubs in the world are doing it, why not us? The alternative is American ownership that don't care about the sport unless it comes with great riches.

I'd much rather Spurs be someone's play thing than an investment opportunity.
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So much of what is wrong at spurs is around the people they have in key positions. I'd suggest your scouting and transfer set up is flawed looking at your signings over recent seasons. FSG would get far more stick I'm sure if we weren't so spot on firstly with getting klopp in and just as important, getting transfers right.
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I'm not sure what the relevance is to that response but let's be honest, whilst you've spent very well you've hit numbers both in wages and in transfer fees we just wouldn't spend. You have a history of dominance, yes even as far back as the eighties, that means your fan base will always dwarf ours, therefore your coffers will to. To put it down entirely to recruitment is ridiculous. You built a great side and reinvested the Coutinho cash superbly but these things are always cyclical. You'll get recruitment wrong again, and we'll get it right but the truth is that both ourselves and Liverpool need to have the perfect structure with the perfect manager and the perfect players to be able to floor big hitters like City and Chelsea. They can be terrible but pay their way out of trouble. It's depressing that our chances of success are not measured by the players or management we bring in, it's down to a nameless oligarch giving us the thumbs up or thumbs down.

We protest against the greed of the ESL and hail their defeat as a victory for football and all the while the Champions League final is contested by two financially doped clubs. The hypocrisy is astounding.

The only way we're gonna win is by getting in mega, mega rich owners but I can't see that happening for years, decades even.
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Very well said. The only way Spurs were ever going to be on a level playing field with the financially doped clubs was to join them. That chance has now come and gone for the time being, so not really sure of the way forward.
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Yep. The chance to effectively eradicate any competitiveness or fairness out of the game, something that 99.9 per cent of football fans where passionately against but Daniel ‘oh more money for uncle Joe ’ levy couldn’t wait to dip his dirty fingers into has passed.

Thank f a c for that. Football lives on.

It’s disgusting that a very small number of ‘fans’ like you Sandy supported it.

I’m a fourth generation spurs fan, my family have spurs in their blood and not a single person in my family, my families friends, their friends would EVER want spurs to get involved in such a gangster like collation that the esl was.

You need to take a good long hard look at yourself if you STILL think it was a good idea.

WUM.

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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
4.5

I'm going for a separate one not on the list. For me the model at City is perfect. They have to do things in the right way as they have a certain PR brand to uphold owing to the Abu Dhabi's checkered history regarding human rights. We're not going to change policy in the Middle East so I don't think we should be restricting ourselves to owners with a clean rap sheet. I mean, some suggest Abromovich earned or inherited his money from questionable means. If you dig deep enough you'll find dirt on everyone. The Saudi group that tried to buy out Newcastle I'd argue have as bad a past as Abu Dhabi yet one went through and the other didn't. I'm at ease with being owned by a bunch of b'stards. The biggest clubs in the world are doing it, why not us? The alternative is American ownership that don't care about the sport unless it comes with great riches.

I'd much rather Spurs be someone's play thing than an investment opportunity.
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So much of what is wrong at spurs is around the people they have in key positions. I'd suggest your scouting and transfer set up is flawed looking at your signings over recent seasons. FSG would get far more stick I'm sure if we weren't so spot on firstly with getting klopp in and just as important, getting transfers right.
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I'm not sure what the relevance is to that response but let's be honest, whilst you've spent very well you've hit numbers both in wages and in transfer fees we just wouldn't spend. You have a history of dominance, yes even as far back as the eighties, that means your fan base will always dwarf ours, therefore your coffers will to. To put it down entirely to recruitment is ridiculous. You built a great side and reinvested the Coutinho cash superbly but these things are always cyclical. You'll get recruitment wrong again, and we'll get it right but the truth is that both ourselves and Liverpool need to have the perfect structure with the perfect manager and the perfect players to be able to floor big hitters like City and Chelsea. They can be terrible but pay their way out of trouble. It's depressing that our chances of success are not measured by the players or management we bring in, it's down to a nameless oligarch giving us the thumbs up or thumbs down.

We protest against the greed of the ESL and hail their defeat as a victory for football and all the while the Champions League final is contested by two financially doped clubs. The hypocrisy is astounding.

The only way we're gonna win is by getting in mega, mega rich owners but I can't see that happening for years, decades even.
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My response was made in relation to your "American owners" comment. My point was that the owners alone aren't the be all and end all. It is about getting the right things in place behind the scenes. Something we have done which has masked the fact that FSG maybe haven't done some things as well as fans would like... much like Spurs owners, but getting other things right deflects that.
The difference in revenue between the two clubs was around 100 million in 2019/2020. Wages is the only thing that we really go over and above spurs on but spurs have always paid a heavily inflated performance related pay. If you get things right behind the scenes, there is no reason why you cannot compete for the biggest prizes.
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I couldn’t agree with this more

Look at Leicester. They haven’t spent anywhere near the likes of city and Chelsea yet they have constantly found players good enough to compete with the top clubs, won a trophy and nearly qualified for champions league.

They have an excellent scouting network and a brilliant manager, the whole club seems to be working together, much like spurs under Poch.

Daniel levy has completely undermined spurs with his own ego, abandoning poch at the first point of trouble and hiring his idol, mourinho

Now we are left with an absolute mess that has cost millions

4. Enic have to go... sell up to a very wealthy investor... who’s worth billions...

If Joe Lewis won’t put his hand in his pocket, the playing side needs major investment, then he needs to sell to someone who will invest heavily.

I want the success Chelsea & Man City have

comment by Citizen Smeg. Viva la revolution (U6574)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 11 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
4.5

I'm going for a separate one not on the list. For me the model at City is perfect. They have to do things in the right way as they have a certain PR brand to uphold owing to the Abu Dhabi's checkered history regarding human rights. We're not going to change policy in the Middle East so I don't think we should be restricting ourselves to owners with a clean rap sheet. I mean, some suggest Abromovich earned or inherited his money from questionable means. If you dig deep enough you'll find dirt on everyone. The Saudi group that tried to buy out Newcastle I'd argue have as bad a past as Abu Dhabi yet one went through and the other didn't. I'm at ease with being owned by a bunch of b'stards. The biggest clubs in the world are doing it, why not us? The alternative is American ownership that don't care about the sport unless it comes with great riches.

I'd much rather Spurs be someone's play thing than an investment opportunity.
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So much of what is wrong at spurs is around the people they have in key positions. I'd suggest your scouting and transfer set up is flawed looking at your signings over recent seasons. FSG would get far more stick I'm sure if we weren't so spot on firstly with getting klopp in and just as important, getting transfers right.
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I'm not sure what the relevance is to that response but let's be honest, whilst you've spent very well you've hit numbers both in wages and in transfer fees we just wouldn't spend. You have a history of dominance, yes even as far back as the eighties, that means your fan base will always dwarf ours, therefore your coffers will to. To put it down entirely to recruitment is ridiculous. You built a great side and reinvested the Coutinho cash superbly but these things are always cyclical. You'll get recruitment wrong again, and we'll get it right but the truth is that both ourselves and Liverpool need to have the perfect structure with the perfect manager and the perfect players to be able to floor big hitters like City and Chelsea. They can be terrible but pay their way out of trouble. It's depressing that our chances of success are not measured by the players or management we bring in, it's down to a nameless oligarch giving us the thumbs up or thumbs down.

We protest against the greed of the ESL and hail their defeat as a victory for football and all the while the Champions League final is contested by two financially doped clubs. The hypocrisy is astounding.

The only way we're gonna win is by getting in mega, mega rich owners but I can't see that happening for years, decades even.
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My response was made in relation to your "American owners" comment. My point was that the owners alone aren't the be all and end all. It is about getting the right things in place behind the scenes. Something we have done which has masked the fact that FSG maybe haven't done some things as well as fans would like... much like Spurs owners, but getting other things right deflects that.
The difference in revenue between the two clubs was around 100 million in 2019/2020. Wages is the only thing that we really go over and above spurs on but spurs have always paid a heavily inflated performance related pay. If you get things right behind the scenes, there is no reason why you cannot compete for the biggest prizes.
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I couldn’t agree with this more

Look at Leicester. They haven’t spent anywhere near the likes of city and Chelsea yet they have constantly found players good enough to compete with the top clubs, won a trophy and nearly qualified for champions league.

They have an excellent scouting network and a brilliant manager, the whole club seems to be working together, much like spurs under Poch.

Daniel levy has completely undermined spurs with his own ego, abandoning poch at the first point of trouble and hiring his idol, mourinho

Now we are left with an absolute mess that has cost millions
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What are you talking about? Leicester actually support my argument. Brilliantly run, brilliant recruitment, brilliant manager. All they've got to show for it is a 5th place finish. Sure, they won the F.A Cup but the league is a true test of progress for me. A cup can be won without form, talent and progression. With a bit of luck with the draw, it's always possible. They're so well run but they've had two consecutive 5th place finishes. That's their ceiling because despite the fact that Chelsea were in turmoil with Frank at the start of the season, the money they've poured into the playing staff has been so much greater than anyone else. Same for City and United.

It's not about being run well or having a good manager or good players. We had all those things under Poch and still couldn't get over the line, same as Leicester. The bottom line is that there's a limit on what a club can achieve if the ownership refuse to invest.