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Ole: Before + After

We quite often hear United 'fans' moan that there are zero signs of progress under Ole and it's quite sickening that this is picking up pace in the anti-United media. As they say, 'Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth' which I believe is something we are now seeing from certain quarters of media, online YT fan channels and actual United 'fans'. The facts, however, tell a different story. Let's look at the 3 years before Ole and the 3 years after.

I am also including 18/19 as his first full season so people can't call me biased.

15/16: Manager LVG. League position 5th

16/17 - Manager Jose. League position: 6th

17/18 - Manager Jose: League position: 2nd

18/19 - Manager Ole: League position 6th

19/20 - Manager Ole: League position 3rd

20/21 - Manager Ole: League position 2nd

I have been extremely fair with this, as PPG show that if Ole was in charge for all of 18/19 we'd have made Top 4 too but I haven't taken that into account to be totally impartial.

Yes in 2016 and 2017 we won some trophies, but overall the squad is in much better shape now for the present time and long term. We have a blend of youth and experience and are cemented as a top 4 side again with silverware all but guaranteed at some point.

Back to back top 4 finishes prove that there is indeed progress, whilst we regularly remain competitive in cup comps under OGS too.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

I'm not going to sit here and say I watched loads of Varane last year because I didn't but I am a huge believer in class is permanent.

They way I look at it is that he is better than Lindelof (who is not awful but I think leads to some system errors alongside Maguire in terms of what line Utd can play) and so is an improvement. Or likely one.

I saw of lot of Sancho though and he is mint.

They'll still have Fred and McT in their midfield though and if Bruno does not find form it could well be an issue, and a similar one at that.

I think Utd will make top four (4th) comfortably though, I think there is quote a gap between the top four and the rest atm but we will see.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
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comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 10 minutes ago
There’s this other rubbish about Ole, that he was only selected cos he’s an ex player who scored the winner in ‘99. Thinking that would play on the UTD fan heartstrings…..

But I’m sure he was selected, cos he had worked with UTDs youth team years before he left for Molde.
Maybe he created a good impression on the owners, and players.
Utd never forgot about. He was only brought in as caretaker, so he deffo wasn’t their first choice. But then that epic run of games, put the pressure on, and they gave him the job.
I wonder if they had held out til the end of that season, would Ole have been given it full-time?

But I’m happy with Ole, but will jump on his neck for foolishness. The pragmatic approach in the Big games and Arsenal shouldn’t be happening. We have a devastating attack.
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He was brought in to try and turn the culture and feeling around because it had gotten so toxic. Mike Phelan did an interview with Stretford Paddock recently and said the day Jose got let go, he got back from wherever and his phone had blown up with messages. One was from Ole saying to call him urgently. He rang him and Ole explained he'd been asked to take over on a temp basis to bring a bit of feel good back and was basically like "Fancying coming along for a few months and just having a laugh?"

The turnaround in the club is clear and obvious. Whether he takes us on or not, I don't know but I am genuinely grateful for what he's done. We're in such a better position than we were in December 2018 and if he leaves, he will be doing so with the next manager coming into an infinitely easier job than he had. I think the club have learned though and I would think we will try and keep 'United people' around.
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Meh. All means very little without success. It is lip service to the current manager from employees there. He has people enjoying themselves again? Good. Without trophies it means nothing. The turnaround at the club has United never being able to get over the line. Ultimately if he leaves at the end of this season winning nothing and having spent how many hundreds of millions, all whilst playing functional but hardly dynamic, exciting football, what has his legacy been? That the club is nicer to be at that when Jose was there?

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

For a club now it's a lot more than just trophies in the cabinet though, even if you are Man United. Look at Arsenal, seem to pick up a few trophies as they have in the last 5 years, but there's so much disdain within the club that almost becomes negligible as well.

Whilst everyone wants silverware, I also think fans want a good, happy club AND silverware. Having just one of them sometimes isn't enough, but I think players, fans, staff etc would rather a positive club first rather than silverware. If it was the other way around Jose would be viewed as a massive success at United, but many say his time there wasn't.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
For a club now it's a lot more than just trophies in the cabinet though, even if you are Man United. Look at Arsenal, seem to pick up a few trophies as they have in the last 5 years, but there's so much disdain within the club that almost becomes negligible as well.

Whilst everyone wants silverware, I also think fans want a good, happy club AND silverware. Having just one of them sometimes isn't enough, but I think players, fans, staff etc would rather a positive club first rather than silverware. If it was the other way around Jose would be viewed as a massive success at United, but many say his time there wasn't.
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The disdain within Arsenal comes from them not being in CL and the lack of funds that are invested in the team despite the club being in a strong financial position.
Obviously it is better to have a feel good factor within the club and the fans and management being in it together, but ultimately, as this season goes on, if United find themselves 20 points behind coming into May and out of the CL, the boos will come out at Old Trafford, and any good will built up by Ole by apparently changing mentalities and making it a happier place will mean nothing. And then I return to my last post. What exactly will be his legacy? Anyone who says that it will be that he made it a better place to be after Jose left will be laughed at.

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The lack of funds that are invested into the team? £50m on Lacazette, £55m on Aubameyang, £45m on Partey, £72m on Pepe etc. It's not a case of lack of investment into the team, it's the case of it being done incorrectly, hence the disdain.

But the club isn't just a "better place" should Ole leave tomorrow for arguments sake. There are plenty of other factors as to why his time at United has been successful. Consistency would be a massive factor as well as consistently improving the team season on season, for example.

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posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

Culer my man, just met your boy Rashford in my local waitrose... Fred too

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posted 2 weeks ago

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 day, 13 hours ago
Culer my man, just met your boy Rashford in my local waitrose... Fred too
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Really? Which one?? Wilmslow???

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