We quite often hear United 'fans' moan that there are zero signs of progress under Ole and it's quite sickening that this is picking up pace in the anti-United media. As they say, 'Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth' which I believe is something we are now seeing from certain quarters of media, online YT fan channels and actual United 'fans'. The facts, however, tell a different story. Let's look at the 3 years before Ole and the 3 years after.
I am also including 18/19 as his first full season so people can't call me biased.
15/16: Manager LVG. League position 5th
16/17 - Manager Jose. League position: 6th
17/18 - Manager Jose: League position: 2nd
18/19 - Manager Ole: League position 6th
19/20 - Manager Ole: League position 3rd
20/21 - Manager Ole: League position 2nd
I have been extremely fair with this, as PPG show that if Ole was in charge for all of 18/19 we'd have made Top 4 too but I haven't taken that into account to be totally impartial.
Yes in 2016 and 2017 we won some trophies, but overall the squad is in much better shape now for the present time and long term. We have a blend of youth and experience and are cemented as a top 4 side again with silverware all but guaranteed at some point.
Back to back top 4 finishes prove that there is indeed progress, whilst we regularly remain competitive in cup comps under OGS too.
Ole: Before + After
posted on 21/7/21
I'm not going to sit here and say I watched loads of Varane last year because I didn't but I am a huge believer in class is permanent.
They way I look at it is that he is better than Lindelof (who is not awful but I think leads to some system errors alongside Maguire in terms of what line Utd can play) and so is an improvement. Or likely one.
I saw of lot of Sancho though and he is mint.
They'll still have Fred and McT in their midfield though and if Bruno does not find form it could well be an issue, and a similar one at that.
I think Utd will make top four (4th) comfortably though, I think there is quote a gap between the top four and the rest atm but we will see.
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For a club now it's a lot more than just trophies in the cabinet though, even if you are Man United. Look at Arsenal, seem to pick up a few trophies as they have in the last 5 years, but there's so much disdain within the club that almost becomes negligible as well.
Whilst everyone wants silverware, I also think fans want a good, happy club AND silverware. Having just one of them sometimes isn't enough, but I think players, fans, staff etc would rather a positive club first rather than silverware. If it was the other way around Jose would be viewed as a massive success at United, but many say his time there wasn't.
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The lack of funds that are invested into the team? £50m on Lacazette, £55m on Aubameyang, £45m on Partey, £72m on Pepe etc. It's not a case of lack of investment into the team, it's the case of it being done incorrectly, hence the disdain.
But the club isn't just a "better place" should Ole leave tomorrow for arguments sake. There are plenty of other factors as to why his time at United has been successful. Consistency would be a massive factor as well as consistently improving the team season on season, for example.
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posted on 23/7/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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Culer my man, just met your boy Rashford in my local waitrose... Fred too
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Really? Which one?? Wilmslow???