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Are antivaxxers the new terrorist threat?

We’ve just had a couple of pretty shocking stories here in Oz which in the scheme of things are just part of the myriad of dumb things that dumb antivaxxers do around the world but it shows the lengths some people will go to lie to stop people being vaccinated…

1) a 17 year old boy recently went swimming in Sydney and died of a cardiac arrest. This antivaxx caaaant tweeted it was a side effect of the Pfizer vaccine and the boys family was subjected to horrific vile abuse. And guess what… turns out the boy wasn’t even vaccinated at all, it was just a simple and tragic heart attack. The antivaxxer (Virginia Nichols) has cut herself off social media and is in hiding now. What a twwwaaat.

2) Even more worrying, a teenage boy in Victoria was arrested by the police for doing what most bored teenagers do (alleged vandalism) but the footage of him being arrested went viral and antivaxxers around the world and Fox News have twisted it into a forced vaccination concentration camp for thousands of kids in Australia 🙄 and no amount of the actual truth will kill off this rumour.



With variants like Delta out there and the possibility of even more, potentially 100% vaccine resistant variants being created by huge swathes of unvaccinated people, how should we proceed with those people? Sadly the harder we act with them, the bigger the martyr they become and emboldens their cause. If we allow their shiiit to happen though, this pandemic will continue for years.

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
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comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
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comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
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So tell me Tux, given you knew months in advance, what actually happened? How did the virus come about? What was the purpose of creating the virus?
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Are you sure you wanna know the answer to that? TUX is about to take you down a long and winding road where the deep state and Bill Gates and the world financial systems have all cooperated to shut down Wetherspoons and theatres for a few months just so the rich can get richer.
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It is so far beyond ridiculous it makes my head hurt thinking about it

Basically the likes of Bezos and Gates were not content with making 10-20 billion a year so instigated this whole pandemic to kill millions and cripple economies worldwide so they could make 20-30 billion a year.
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It's no wonder your head hurts if you respond to this crap.
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Answer my question then?
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He won’t answer. All his replies are ‘you’re too dumb to see the truth’ or ‘if I told you your head would explode as you don’t see what I see’

Etc. Just another grifter who thinks he’s Neo

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
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comment by Robbnaldo (U22311)
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comment by Cinciwolf----Wolves poster of the millennium (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
So tell me Tux, given you knew months in advance, what actually happened? How did the virus come about? What was the purpose of creating the virus?
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Are you sure you wanna know the answer to that? TUX is about to take you down a long and winding road where the deep state and Bill Gates and the world financial systems have all cooperated to shut down Wetherspoons and theatres for a few months just so the rich can get richer.
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It is so far beyond ridiculous it makes my head hurt thinking about it

Basically the likes of Bezos and Gates were not content with making 10-20 billion a year so instigated this whole pandemic to kill millions and cripple economies worldwide so they could make 20-30 billion a year.
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Slightly off topic, but if you think the likes of Bezos, Gates, et al are content with what they have, I think you are a little naive. Who wants to be second in anything when first is up for grabs?

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

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comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
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comment by ...TUX... (U22398)
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Genuine question.
Aside from MSM and various social media platforms, has anyone here, IN REAL LIFE, seen anything that comes anywhere close to justifying shutting the world down for pretty much the past two years?

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How about global excess mortality in excess of 3 million last year alone?

And how is the world currently “shut down”?
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Oh dear.
Is that honestly the best you have..............because you can't disprove the latest Israel stats regarding the vax you post meaningless drivel despite being the person who can 'learn me'?
Are you Robbs dumb brother?

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Are we talking about the same stats that (further) demonstrate that vaccination is valuable in preventing serious illness and death, even in people who’ve previously contracted the virus?

Or is there a different study I haven’t seen?

And you don’t think that the restrictions that kept excess mortality to a figure in excess of three million were worthwhile?

What would you have done? I’m assuming you wouldn’t have used lockdowns or promoted the vaccines? What would you have done when the UK started to look like India, with thousands of people in the streets waiting for a hospital bed and oxygen?
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He thinks if people aren’t dying in the street as per his own reading of what a pandemic is based on the horror movies he’s watched that it’s not something to worry about.
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You get dumber by the minute.

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You keep calling people dumb yet you still can’t provide any evidence or any clever counter debate for the points that you make which get shot down quicker than an idea coming out of the mouth of Baldrick.


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The evidence is in front of you yet you still refuse to see it. It's not my fault that you are scared for no reason. You're a phycologists dream.
And no, I haven't been ''shot-down''. Quite the opposite.
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There once was a very smart bloke called David Hume.

He said that the only way that we can judge between two empirical claims is by weighing the evidence, and that the degree to which we believe one claim over another should be proportional to the degree by which the evidence for one outweighs the evidence for the other.

Seems sensible, right? He made the point in an argument against labelling events as miracles, but it works equally well against conspiracy theories.

The evidence for a global pandemic which has hospitalised and killed millions: plethora.

The evidence for a global conspiracy, necessarily involving literally millions of academics, healthcare workers, nurses and allied professionals, public health administrators, hospital workers, ambulance drivers, journalists and other media professionals, care sector management and staff, private sector workers in myriad domains, and politicians of every colour in literally every country in the world: some incoherent ramblings.

posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

Whatever your views are on vaccines this is worth watching, it shows you the power Big Pharma has.
Please note this is not about anti Vaccines it's about how they are stopping people getting effective and safe complimentary treatments.

In 6months the vaccines effective wears off, these types of treatments helps to maintain the protection, it's criminal they won't investigate it more.

https://rumble.com/vlv052-is-big-pharma-lobby-blocking-treatments-rajiv-malhotra-and-dr.-pierre-kory-.html

posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

That isn’t a coherent argument.

Merck is a pharma giant. They manufacture ivermectin for human use to treat (as it is in animals) parasitic infections. Regardless of product protections (or lack thereof) they would stand to make a *huge* amount of money if they changed their advice on the use of their drug. Yet they state:

‘To-date, our analysis has identified:

- No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;

- No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;

- A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.’

If Big Pharma companies are behind a conspiracy to hide information about or block the investigation of the use of certain drugs because their only interest is their own financial gain, why is one Big Pharma company which *would* stand to make a large amount of money very quickly not endorsing their product?

Secondly, there *have* already been several studies undertaken on the use of ivermectin to treat patients with COVID-19, and enough actually for there to have been more than one meta analysis carried out.

Those studies just haven’t provided good results. The most promising looking studies have been flawed in their methodologies, controls and scope, and indeed one - the one which was held up high by supporters of the off-label use of the drug - which claimed to show a reduction in mortality, was withdrawn in pre-print after a discovery that data had been both falsified and manipulated by the study group.

As the US Centre for Disease Control and Prevention has stated, we need “data from adequately sized, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials… to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of Covid-19.”

Thirdly, such trials are actually being undertaken and are not being hidden or blocked. For one, TOGETHER is undertaking a more-robust and, frankly, scientific looking study on the drug in Brazil with a decent sample size (3,500). We will have a much better picture when that and other properly-designed and executed trials have been completed, their data interpreted, papers written, peer-reviewed properly and published. Because that’s how good research is done.

posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

Board members for pharma companies being board members for media companies... what could go wrong?

posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

I take it you didn't watch the video rosso
Would you provide me those results for Ivermectin that were not good?

posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

On big pharma, but Slight deviation from topic, ‘crime of the century’ in Netflix is worth a look, about the Purdue family and OxyContin. (Disturbing that autocorrect dictionaries corrected the way I wrote that to the way it’s displayed) Very damning look at big pharma capitalism.

posted 2 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 19 minutes ago
I take it you didn't watch the video rosso
Would you provide me those results for Ivermectin that were not good?

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Here is how some meta-analyses have shone a positive light on study results:

https://mobile.twitter.com/GidMK/status/1412635807702142982

TL;DR:

Basically, there are a raft of studies which demonstrate no benefit. Then there are two low quality studies (one now withdrawn but *still* included in every single positive meta-analysis I have seen) which claimed positive results. When they’re lumped in with the rest of the net neutral studies, they make it look like the group of studies as a whole demonstrates positive results.

Guardian piece (but reported everywhere) on the first study held up by those touting the drug and still skewing some meta-analyses, which was withdrawn:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

One meta-analysis published in BMJ (links to others, including the widest meta-analysis to date on papers relating to all therapeutics used to treat COVID-19) which excludes the withdrawn Egyptian study:

https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678#ref-35

“Concluding, research related to ivermectin in COVID-19 has serious methodological limitations resulting in very low certainty of the evidence, and continues to grow.

“The use of ivermectin, among others repurposed drugs for prophylaxis or treatment for COVID-19, should be done based on trustable evidence, without conflicts of interest, with proven safety and efficacy in patient-consented, ethically approved, randomised clinical trials.”

Or, again, let’s wait for data from proper clinical trials (many of which are underway) before pumping the stuff into every hospitalised patient.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Nsno-let us pray (U22663)
posted 1 week, 4 days ago
comment by Robb - McFan #1 (U22311)
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Survival of the fittest and that still applies
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🤣 let’s just take away medical help for people with cancer etc then
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I'm of the opinion we have far too many people alive as it is, the planet can't sustain our current consumption, so maybe we should start a Logan's run style civilization. Rather than people living 20 years more than necessary being a burden on healthcare etc. Harsh when I type it but... Would you rather extinction if we don't change the way we are headed as a species?
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You'd have loved 1940s Germany.

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