I had my suspicions in previous games before the final of the European champs, then in the final again i watched as southgate stood there passive almost unable to comprehend the game had swung in Italy's favour...as fans we knew changes were needed, southgate watched did nothing until after italy scored...far too late.
So now onto England's most difficult game since the Italy loss...and yet again southgate just repeats the same mistakes as he did Vs Italy. England 1-0 up the game starts to change in Poland's favour...southgate...nothing, no changes; just looks on and EXACTLY the same result...the opposition score when we as fans could see the game needed changing.
Vs the big teams if the manager cant act BEFORE its too late then what good is he? He has a whole bench to choose from...nothing. Southgate is not a proactive manager he is a reactive manager..in other words only AFTER something has happened does he change, and even then sometimes he does nothing.
Southgate...not good enough imo.
posted on 9/9/21
It depends how you see it.
Did we fail by reaching the final of the Euro's? No. Is it disappointing because we lost the final? Yes. Is it an even bigger kick in the teeth to know that we could have done more in the game when we were winning? Yes.
It's all hindsight though, but it just seems to be a criticism of the team, or Southgate specifically, that seems to be tripping us up here and there, such as the final and last night for instance.
I wouldn't say England have failed by reaching the final of the Euro's, but I suppose anybody who reaches a final could say you've failed by not winning it. Especially considering it was a close contest as well.
posted on 9/9/21
Remember the days of McLaren, Capello, Alladryce and Hodgson? We do have a better choice of players now but even so, Southgate has brought some pride to our team.
posted on 9/9/21
Your team lack tactical movement in the final third. No movement between the lines, in the half spaces or movement occupying the first and second goalpost. No running behind or a third man run which is vital to break teams down. This indicates a lack of coaching in that department. Players like Grealish or Mount are the same type of players who want the ball into feet. I would go for Sterling and Saka on the wings.
Germany under Flick will be a much better team and I have already seen improvement in their game which is similar to his Bayern team.
posted on 9/9/21
comment by Brexit Superfan #Rees-MoggForPM #ControlAreBorders (U19731)
posted 38 minutes ago
Your team lack tactical movement in the final third. No movement between the lines, in the half spaces or movement occupying the first and second goalpost. No running behind or a third man run which is vital to break teams down. This indicates a lack of coaching in that department. Players like Grealish or Mount are the same type of players who want the ball into feet. I would go for Sterling and Saka on the wings.
Germany under Flick will be a much better team and I have already seen improvement in their game which is similar to his Bayern team.
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There is plenty of scope in terms of players and adaptability in who we can play.
As much as I'd never want to replace Kane in that team obviously, in the next few years hopefully Greenwood can flourish because that extra pace down the middle would help us accommodate both Mount and Grealish in this side as well.
posted on 9/9/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Kroenke_out (U21076)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I also feel people overrate our players WAY too much.
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That definitely used to be the case, but now I think we've shifted to the opposite where we overrate the other "big teams" players by comparison.
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England have one WC player.
We're lauding players that knocked in 6 league goals and stuff expecting us to just roll teams over.
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How many world class players do the other nations in the Euro's have?
If we went off that basis, England would only be as good as Poland because both teams have 1 world class player.
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Isn't that what the result implied?
posted on 9/9/21
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Kroenke_out (U21076)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I also feel people overrate our players WAY too much.
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That definitely used to be the case, but now I think we've shifted to the opposite where we overrate the other "big teams" players by comparison.
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England have one WC player.
We're lauding players that knocked in 6 league goals and stuff expecting us to just roll teams over.
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How many world class players do the other nations in the Euro's have?
If we went off that basis, England would only be as good as Poland because both teams have 1 world class player.
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Isn't that what the result implied?
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What one result?
Or we could look at the other 21(?) games where they've only beaten us once as a more telling factor between the quality of the two teams over numerous decades.
posted on 9/9/21
Touchy
posted on 9/9/21
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 hours, 55 minutes ago
Southgate is improving as a manager, his performance this summer was far better than it was in Russia. He was ultimately a lottery of a penalty shootout away from winning the whole tournament.
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1. Penalties are not lotteries.
2. We were lucky to get to pens. Italy dominated us from minute 15 to min 120 with a few brief spells by us
We lost not because of the pens but because we did not go out there to win the game once we had the lead. We went out there to protect a lead.
posted on 9/9/21
He plays the most tedious football about which is a shame given the amount of talent the England squad have at the moment.
as a "neutral" I certainly wouldn't be tuning in to see England play any time soon.
posted on 9/9/21
comment by Brexit Superfan #Rees-MoggForPM #ControlAreBor... (U19731)
posted 5 hours, 11 minutes ago
Your team lack tactical movement in the final third. No movement between the lines, in the half spaces or movement occupying the first and second goalpost. No running behind or a third man run which is vital to break teams down. This indicates a lack of coaching in that department. Players like Grealish or Mount are the same type of players who want the ball into feet. I would go for Sterling and Saka on the wings.
Germany under Flick will be a much better team and I have already seen improvement in their game which is similar to his Bayern team.
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I would disagree with this. There is plenty of fluidity and movement in the team. Grealish, Mount, Sterling all popping up across the front line. Kane dropping deep, in the hole and other spaces.
For me the issue is that Walker barely supported the attack (effectively a RCB) and 2 DMs in front of that. Southgate loves the 3 at the back formation and he's sneaked it in the back door in basically telling Walker to stay back. This is why Walker plays when TAA would appear to be the more attacking option and one capable of delivering to a target.
Where 2 DMs never get ahead of the ball but just support play on the edge of the box numbers in the box are not enough. With Kane's wondering there is often no real target in a box.
I would say we are playing how he wants us to, where there is an underlying level of caution.