Fuel

comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 1 day, 2 hours ago
Anyone changed their mind about Brexit yet?
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Nope.

More then likely the same reports as what you get but news reports here are saying the Army are after using this crisis for driver training!..

So,it should help out with the shortfall at the pumps and at the same time give them more drivers!..

comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 23 minutes ago
More then likely the same reports as what you get but news reports here are saying the Army are after using this crisis for driver training!..

So,it should help out with the shortfall at the pumps and at the same time give them more drivers!..
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According to the business secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng, around 150 drivers will be delivering fuel in the next few days, as it will take a couple of days to get the army mobilised.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58729653

comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Real Estate - Estemos Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 14 hours, 51 minutes ago
This has absolutely zero to do with Brexit.

Outside of Eurobubbleland, most economists have long are increasingly citing an intransigent European Union behind the post Brexit issues. Biden’s stance against the U.K. on Northern Ireland has backfired also.

One thing Brexit certainly has to do with Australia ditching France’s antiquated diesel electric submarines. Regarding the purchase of new submarines for its fleet, the RAN has made very clear that both the UK Astute class and the US Virginia are under equal consideration.

This mini fuel crisis will be over soon. Are footballers essential workers?

What should concern all of the is the threat of restricted supplies of gas from Russia this winter.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petrol-shortage-grant-shapps-b1928368.html

And I've heard some stretches before, but trying to make the stretch that an arms sale between America and Australia somehow only happened because of Brexit is one of the most laughable.


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comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Real Estate - Estemos Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 14 hours, 51 minutes ago
This has absolutely zero to do with Brexit.

Outside of Eurobubbleland, most economists have long are increasingly citing an intransigent European Union behind the post Brexit issues. Biden’s stance against the U.K. on Northern Ireland has backfired also.

One thing Brexit certainly has to do with Australia ditching France’s antiquated diesel electric submarines. Regarding the purchase of new submarines for its fleet, the RAN has made very clear that both the UK Astute class and the US Virginia are under equal consideration.

This mini fuel crisis will be over soon. Are footballers essential workers?

What should concern all of the is the threat of restricted supplies of gas from Russia this winter.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petrol-shortage-grant-shapps-b1928368.html

And I've heard some stretches before, but trying to make the stretch that an arms sale between America and Australia somehow only happened because of Brexit is one of the most laughable.


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I would say normally say quoting any The Independent is pretty laughable itself, but let’s just leave it there. Strictly speaking Grant Shapps says Brexit is “a factor”, which fairly ambiguous.

Regarding my point, it was concerning the cancellation of the contract for Electric/Diesel submarines from France - nothing to do with arms sales.

Matty, I’m not in the habit of participating in spats on this forum, and most of your comments are mature and considered, but occasionally it’s better to simply ask for a citation or reference before attempting to mock any individual.

The New York Times is a globally recognized news publication, and being this side of the Atlantic Ocean, I am more accustomed to reading its columns. Anyway, despite its original anti-Brexit stance, for your perusal here is their take from around a week ago on the issue of the ‘submarine spat’.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/europe/britain-us-france-submarines-brexit.amp.html

comment by Real Estate - Estemos Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 6 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Real Estate - Estemos Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 14 hours, 51 minutes ago
This has absolutely zero to do with Brexit.

Outside of Eurobubbleland, most economists have long are increasingly citing an intransigent European Union behind the post Brexit issues. Biden’s stance against the U.K. on Northern Ireland has backfired also.

One thing Brexit certainly has to do with Australia ditching France’s antiquated diesel electric submarines. Regarding the purchase of new submarines for its fleet, the RAN has made very clear that both the UK Astute class and the US Virginia are under equal consideration.

This mini fuel crisis will be over soon. Are footballers essential workers?

What should concern all of the is the threat of restricted supplies of gas from Russia this winter.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petrol-shortage-grant-shapps-b1928368.html

And I've heard some stretches before, but trying to make the stretch that an arms sale between America and Australia somehow only happened because of Brexit is one of the most laughable.


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I would say normally say quoting any The Independent is pretty laughable itself, but let’s just leave it there. Strictly speaking Grant Shapps says Brexit is “a factor”, which fairly ambiguous.

Regarding my point, it was concerning the cancellation of the contract for Electric/Diesel submarines from France - nothing to do with arms sales.

Matty, I’m not in the habit of participating in spats on this forum, and most of your comments are mature and considered, but occasionally it’s better to simply ask for a citation or reference before attempting to mock any individual.

The New York Times is a globally recognized news publication, and being this side of the Atlantic Ocean, I am more accustomed to reading its columns. Anyway, despite its original anti-Brexit stance, for your perusal here is their take from around a week ago on the issue of the ‘submarine spat’.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/europe/britain-us-france-submarines-brexit.amp.html
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That article is pay walled, so I can't read it, however the EU's Common Commerical & Common Defence policies have opt outs in regard to military and defence policy after the adoption of the Maastricht Treaty in 1993.

To clarify the UK was (and did) completely free to pursue it own strategic defence policy as a member state, and ditching the French submarine contract had absolutely nothing to do with Brexit whatsover (from a treaty/legal perspective).

"The government has also committed to issuing 5,000 temporary, three-month visas to foreign drivers."

WTF, European drivers should say, What, and get the same treatment as last time!.

As for the Submarine argument, reports here suggest the UK/US deal is because France are having problems and can't deliver on time!..

So if true than like people are saying, thats nothing to do with Brexit!..

comment by LufcGermany (U6066)
posted 1 minute ago
"The government has also committed to issuing 5,000 temporary, three-month visas to foreign drivers."

WTF, European drivers should say, What, and get the same treatment as last time!.

As for the Submarine argument, reports here suggest the UK/US deal is because France are having problems and can't deliver on time!..

So if true than like people are saying, thats nothing to do with Brexit!..
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The majority of EU haulage contractors have rubbished the offer (HGV drivers) as it's only valid until the 24th December.

As they were effectively 'kicked out' following new immigration rules in the UK many feel shunned, and do not feel welcome in the UK, and will take up shortfalls in Europe.

An example given by a Polish driver, (think it was Ch5 News) highlighted even though he was being offered £2k more by a UK logistics firm, there was no point taking the job on a short term basis, (and also scheme won't be fully up and running until the 23rd Nov) when he could earn slightly less at home, (or elsewhere in Europe) but have much better working rights, and better job security/conditions.

I remember watching in disbelief the News running up to Christmas and thinking how can a Country like England treat people the way they did the Drivers!..

Running up to Christmas and having them stuck on a giant park place or Motorway heading to Dover for days, some as far as I understood for weeks, was unbelievable!..

And now they're offering better money for a 3 month tour, any driver that went through the first crap would be dumb to say yes!..

And any that didn't will know that it could happen again!..

It'd be better if England rushed a driver training plan through and learnt how to stand on their own two feet, because what happened with the European drivers and asking the same drivers to come back for an extra 3 months of hell is just dumb ass management and not very Humane!..

comment by Real Estate - Estemos Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 17 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Real Estate - Estemos Top Four de nuevo (U21471)
posted 14 hours, 51 minutes ago
This has absolutely zero to do with Brexit.

Outside of Eurobubbleland, most economists have long are increasingly citing an intransigent European Union behind the post Brexit issues. Biden’s stance against the U.K. on Northern Ireland has backfired also.

One thing Brexit certainly has to do with Australia ditching France’s antiquated diesel electric submarines. Regarding the purchase of new submarines for its fleet, the RAN has made very clear that both the UK Astute class and the US Virginia are under equal consideration.

This mini fuel crisis will be over soon. Are footballers essential workers?

What should concern all of the is the threat of restricted supplies of gas from Russia this winter.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petrol-shortage-grant-shapps-b1928368.html

And I've heard some stretches before, but trying to make the stretch that an arms sale between America and Australia somehow only happened because of Brexit is one of the most laughable.


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I would say normally say quoting any The Independent is pretty laughable itself, but let’s just leave it there. Strictly speaking Grant Shapps says Brexit is “a factor”, which fairly ambiguous.

Regarding my point, it was concerning the cancellation of the contract for Electric/Diesel submarines from France - nothing to do with arms sales.

Matty, I’m not in the habit of participating in spats on this forum, and most of your comments are mature and considered, but occasionally it’s better to simply ask for a citation or reference before attempting to mock any individual.

The New York Times is a globally recognized news publication, and being this side of the Atlantic Ocean, I am more accustomed to reading its columns. Anyway, despite its original anti-Brexit stance, for your perusal here is their take from around a week ago on the issue of the ‘submarine spat’.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/europe/britain-us-france-submarines-brexit.amp.html
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You said it had nothing to do with Brexit... now you are saying it was a factor.

So which is it?

Nothing in that article stats that brexit was a deciding factor in the deal being done or that it wouldn't have been done had Britain still been in the eu. In fact I dont know why you linked it or even if you read it cause it certainly dosent back up your claim

In fact, as the article notes the French didn't even bother recalling their ambassador, which they did with both Australia and America as they considered the role to be of no importance.

The current needs in the US are the factors which have led to the US making a deal. Its nothing to do with Brexit.

Post Trump the US wants to show its the dominant power in the Pacific region and wants to show its allies its a dependable friend and ally which were the deciding factors and the reason now they are basically giving Australia the means to produce a nuclear bomb. (The subs use ultra fine uranium and the tech can very easily be made into a weapon.)

The US would have pushed for this with or without brexit, they just allowed Britain along for the ride as they wanted to throw us a bone after not even bothering to call us after the afghan pull out.