Ole

I City fan, who is normally just a nuisance on here posted a couple of lines yesterday that I agree with. Step forward pplf;

It was that under Fergie we were relentless, our tempo was high for ninety minutes.
My golfing mate was a diehard City fan, he said he hated watching derby games because even if they scored first the attacks were non stop and he always thought we would score right up to the whistle;

We have lost that, time to get it back. No slow build up from the back, get it to our danger players quickly and often.

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 7 hours, 33 minutes ago


Just how much has the squad improved under Ole though?

DDG - SAF signing

Shaw - Moyes / LVG signing

AWB - Poor signing

Maguire and Varane - Improvements on what he inherited at CB, but at great cost. Its not as if he plucked them from obscurity.

CM - A mess. Nothing more needs saying.

Wide - Overloaded with wide players, and are those signed by Ole (Sancho, Amad, Pellestri) any better than what we already had (Rashford, Greenwood, Martial)

CF - 2 great, but short term CF's (who are an improvement on Lukaku) and Greenwood, who is better wide at the moment.
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This is the problem.

People keep saying cliche rubbish like building for the future, leaving the squad in a stronger position than before.

In reality he has spent 450 mill, we have by far the highest safe bill in the league, and if he were to leave next year we would need 2 new strikers, 2 centre mids and a right back at a minimum.
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He has bought poorly, that's why he took over a team who finished on 81 points, and 3 years, 450 mill, ridiculous salaries later, were 4th favourite ms and no one thinks we will challenge for the title.
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Make a coherent point. Do you want to sack him because he is not tactically competent? or because of the players he has? All I see are people assuming he should be doing better because of the squad he has accumulated.

If you are going to criticize him choose a side. Everyone has been saying its now time to prove himself because of the quality of the squad (one which is still behind the top 3 who have accumulated signings of close a billion, and have scouts better than the trash we have over the last decade-another problem that is above Ole paygrade). If you do not think the players are not good then maybe he is performing at the teams level especially when the ronaldo signing thats causing the whole noise is borderline negative and showed the management willfully ignored this midfield again.

Choose the point you want to make and make it coherently.
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Which bit are you struggling with? People keep saying he is building for the future.
He isn't. We have by far the highest wage bill in the league, and all our best players are in their late 20s/late 30s.
When a new manager comes in, whether in a year or 2. Yes the team will be due an overhaul. Our time to win with this squad of players is now, not in a year or two.

Ole has managed to spend 450 mill whilst barely improving the team.
He has also managed to turn us into a team who cannot win trophies, or match the points tally from the season before he took over.

Can you imagine if a Guardiola, Klopp or Tuchel took over a team who finished second, and had 450 mill to spend, whilst having no salary restrictions. Then after 3 years fans being impressed with a top 4 finish and no trophies

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 7 hours, 33 minutes ago


Just how much has the squad improved under Ole though?

DDG - SAF signing

Shaw - Moyes / LVG signing

AWB - Poor signing

Maguire and Varane - Improvements on what he inherited at CB, but at great cost. Its not as if he plucked them from obscurity.

CM - A mess. Nothing more needs saying.

Wide - Overloaded with wide players, and are those signed by Ole (Sancho, Amad, Pellestri) any better than what we already had (Rashford, Greenwood, Martial)

CF - 2 great, but short term CF's (who are an improvement on Lukaku) and Greenwood, who is better wide at the moment.
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This is the problem.

People keep saying cliche rubbish like building for the future, leaving the squad in a stronger position than before.

In reality he has spent 450 mill, we have by far the highest safe bill in the league, and if he were to leave next year we would need 2 new strikers, 2 centre mids and a right back at a minimum.
.
He has bought poorly, that's why he took over a team who finished on 81 points, and 3 years, 450 mill, ridiculous salaries later, were 4th favourite ms and no one thinks we will challenge for the title.
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Make a coherent point. Do you want to sack him because he is not tactically competent? or because of the players he has? All I see are people assuming he should be doing better because of the squad he has accumulated.

If you are going to criticize him choose a side. Everyone has been saying its now time to prove himself because of the quality of the squad (one which is still behind the top 3 who have accumulated signings of close a billion, and have scouts better than the trash we have over the last decade-another problem that is above Ole paygrade). If you do not think the players are not good then maybe he is performing at the teams level especially when the ronaldo signing thats causing the whole noise is borderline negative and showed the management willfully ignored this midfield again.

Choose the point you want to make and make it coherently.
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Which bit are you struggling with? People keep saying he is building for the future.
He isn't. We have by far the highest wage bill in the league, and all our best players are in their late 20s/late 30s.
When a new manager comes in, whether in a year or 2. Yes the team will be due an overhaul. Our time to win with this squad of players is now, not in a year or two.

Ole has managed to spend 450 mill whilst barely improving the team.
He has also managed to turn us into a team who cannot win trophies, or match the points tally from the season before he took over.

Can you imagine if a Guardiola, Klopp or Tuchel took over a team who finished second, and had 450 mill to spend, whilst having no salary restrictions. Then after 3 years fans being impressed with a top 4 finish and no trophies
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Dear dear Ron. He didn't take over a team who were second, he took over a team who were sixteenth. The second place had been and gone. Let's not mislead eh.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)

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Dear dear Ron. He didn't take over a team who were second, he took over a team who were sixteenth. The second place had been and gone. Let's not mislead eh.
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sixth, mu...let's not mislead eh

#stillsixth

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)

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Dear dear Ron. He didn't take over a team who were second, he took over a team who were sixteenth. The second place had been and gone. Let's not mislead eh.
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sixth, mu...let's not mislead eh
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Were they sixth, my memory is, what's the word? declining, that's it. I never bother looking anything up, I should start. Still, not second eh.
But I deserve the reproof

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 11 seconds ago
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Were they sixth, my memory is, what's the word? declining, that's it. I never bother looking anything up, I should start. Still, not second eh.
But I deserve the reproof
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ha, to be fair i did look it up, but only because i didn't remember us flirting with relegation (i think chelsea were 16th when they fired him the second time around)

I think we were actually 60th

comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 34 minutes ago
Looking back I don't think we were terrible yesterday. In fact, at one stage of the game, I thought we looked pretty comfortable.

I think that is part of the problem though. We're accepting average performances as good. As much as Stretty laboured the point he'd have a field day with this acceptance of the drop in standards.

The international break has come at a great time IMO. Hopefully it'll be a time to regroup and for Ole to think of a plan of action moving forward. It's clear we lack a little quality in midfield but I think even Keane and Scholes could struggle in our set up at present. It's far too loose without being truly gung-ho.
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We had a lower xG than Everton. We weren't great. Watch the game this afternoon, then tell me you think that the constant "moments" and knife edge football that Ole brings will ever see us challenging. Liverpool v City will far exceed anything Ole has ever shown at United. And I can say that, because those two teams play at the level I expect this afternoon on a regular basis
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I know we weren't great but I don't think we were terrible either. That's the issue though. Standards have dropped. I felt really deflated yesterday and it was like a defeat. I felt better after the West Ham game in the Carabao Cup where we looked decent. I can accept a 1-1 draw v Everton at OT if Pickford is MOTM and we have several good chances. That happens even though it's frustrating.

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 3 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 7 hours, 33 minutes ago


Just how much has the squad improved under Ole though?

DDG - SAF signing

Shaw - Moyes / LVG signing

AWB - Poor signing

Maguire and Varane - Improvements on what he inherited at CB, but at great cost. Its not as if he plucked them from obscurity.

CM - A mess. Nothing more needs saying.

Wide - Overloaded with wide players, and are those signed by Ole (Sancho, Amad, Pellestri) any better than what we already had (Rashford, Greenwood, Martial)

CF - 2 great, but short term CF's (who are an improvement on Lukaku) and Greenwood, who is better wide at the moment.
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This is the problem.

People keep saying cliche rubbish like building for the future, leaving the squad in a stronger position than before.

In reality he has spent 450 mill, we have by far the highest safe bill in the league, and if he were to leave next year we would need 2 new strikers, 2 centre mids and a right back at a minimum.
.
He has bought poorly, that's why he took over a team who finished on 81 points, and 3 years, 450 mill, ridiculous salaries later, were 4th favourite ms and no one thinks we will challenge for the title.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Make a coherent point. Do you want to sack him because he is not tactically competent? or because of the players he has? All I see are people assuming he should be doing better because of the squad he has accumulated.

If you are going to criticize him choose a side. Everyone has been saying its now time to prove himself because of the quality of the squad (one which is still behind the top 3 who have accumulated signings of close a billion, and have scouts better than the trash we have over the last decade-another problem that is above Ole paygrade). If you do not think the players are not good then maybe he is performing at the teams level especially when the ronaldo signing thats causing the whole noise is borderline negative and showed the management willfully ignored this midfield again.

Choose the point you want to make and make it coherently.
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Which bit are you struggling with? People keep saying he is building for the future.
He isn't. We have by far the highest wage bill in the league, and all our best players are in their late 20s/late 30s.
When a new manager comes in, whether in a year or 2. Yes the team will be due an overhaul. Our time to win with this squad of players is now, not in a year or two.

Ole has managed to spend 450 mill whilst barely improving the team.
He has also managed to turn us into a team who cannot win trophies, or match the points tally from the season before he took over.

Can you imagine if a Guardiola, Klopp or Tuchel took over a team who finished second, and had 450 mill to spend, whilst having no salary restrictions. Then after 3 years fans being impressed with a top 4 finish and no trophies
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Our high wage bill comes from 2 things.
A. Cavani, Ronaldo, Matic, Jones, Mata, Martial. Players who can leave tomorrow. They are here because of another stupid policy in upper management. Ole isn't resigning these players or signing them. Its been like this before he came.

B. The de gea saga broke our payscale and everyone else uses it in negotiations. Again another thing not to be blamed on Ole but go on.

Secondly, the only reason to not sack Ole is because some deck head is GOING TO COME IN START FROM scratch. A team ole is getting killed for for not beating every facking team.

Which is why I have keep asking, is the team good enough to be lambasting Ole for? If not then maybe they are not executing the tactics. It cannot be both way. Choose a side. The squad its either good enough to challenge or not which means his tactics are good enough or not good enough.

This squad is good enough to challenge. We all know that. Which is why I still want continuity because half of you have a poisoned mind against Ole you cannot see that other than the midfield this team can challenge. What is worse, our management has been as dumb as you all are sounding now. I prefer getting 4th than tearing everything down.