that wasnt.
A finely balanced entertaining game but once again, a weak referee, bottling a big decisions, and a very obvious big decision.
To me a few things seem to be creeping into the game with refs now.
Firstly, it is right that they let the game flow, that these small moments of contact that see a player crumple to the floor are now largely ignored. It was a plague in the EPL and you can already see the difference its making with a lot less of these sorts of fouls being given and a lot fewer attempts by players to win these sorts of cheap non-fouls. But the increased level of physicality being allowed is seeing some refs not being able to differentiate between a physical game and a clear foul. Some of the tackles that Burnley have got away with have been dreadful. They are not alone but it shows the refs are struggling with a different aspect. Whereas before that gave everything because they were weak, now they're failing to find the line between cheap fouls and actual fouls.
This to me is a result of the other thing that has crept in, in the way VAR is being used. VAR now only really picking up on the massive errors by refs, so refs find it easy to let something go because they know that unless its a big error, VAR will ignore it. This means that a lot of things get let go but will not be VAR'd. Again weak refereeing generally as they have a safety net. The subtle difference is that if VAR wasnt there they may make another decision, but because its there they can almost defer a decision to VAR by not making the decision themselves.
Both the above factors leads to a position where refs are making less decisions, and at times seem unwilling to made the big decisions.
Yesterdays Milner non-yellow was such weak refereeing. All day long a yellow. Bottled in favour of Liverpool. It is exasperating for fans and managers that such basic errors are made. To me refs almost dodging the big decisions because if they get it that badly wrong VAR is there and if they don't then its just their judgement, which they feel justified in if VAR doesn't intervene.
Dont get me wrong. Its a lot better than last season but we still see the standard of refereeing to be poor and while VAR has been tweaked for the better, the refs are still being shown to be generally rubbish.
Milner Red Card.....
posted on 6/10/21
Wasn't the foul given against Henderson before Milner fouled?
posted on 6/10/21
No
posted on 6/10/21
Even if it was, it doesn’t stop him being able to penalise Milner too.
posted on 6/10/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
Even if it was, it doesn’t stop him being able to penalise Milner too.
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Penalised for what? A trip? It's no longer stopping a dangerous attack as a freekick has already been given so unlikely to then be a yellow card offence.
posted on 6/10/21
There is depending on the severity of the tackle.
It’s immaterial anyway as he hadn’t given the foul already so even if he went back to the initial foul, he could still have booked him for either reason.
posted on 6/10/21
Sorry meant to say severity or intent there.
posted on 6/10/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
There is depending on the severity of the tackle.
It’s immaterial anyway as he hadn’t given the foul already so even if he went back to the initial foul, he could still have booked him for either reason.
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How could you tell? Both fouls happened quickly after another. I couldn't tell myself but saw the referee speaking to Henderson so thought he had given it against Henderson.
posted on 6/10/21
The ref didnt blow when Henderson touched the player, so there is no way you can say that he blew for that foul. No way whatsoever. This is just a conclusion you have formed to excuse the ref for a poor decision which went in LFCs favour. You are one of the best of never ever admitting anything that may be detrimental to LFC, your view is one oft the least objective in this respect. It also ignores the fact that the player was unaffected by Hendo's attempts to foul him and if the player had continued his run down the line unimpeded by Milner then the ref would not have been blowing his whistle.
posted on 6/10/21
Ref blew after Hendo fouled. Maybe he played advantage and when there wasn’t any called it back.
posted on 6/10/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
The ref didnt blow when Henderson touched the player, so there is no way you can say that he blew for that foul. No way whatsoever. This is just a conclusion you have formed to excuse the ref for a poor decision which went in LFCs favour. You are one of the best of never ever admitting anything that may be detrimental to LFC, your view is one oft the least objective in this respect. It also ignores the fact that the player was unaffected by Hendo's attempts to foul him and if the player had continued his run down the line unimpeded by Milner then the ref would not have been blowing his whistle.
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I haven't formed a conclusion. I asked how Melton did. I couldn't tell. I literally typed 'I couldn't tell'.