Firstly, thank God we moved quickly to dispense with Nuno, who was clearly out of his depth, and got this guy in. I think our actions were prompted by the turmoil at Old Trafford, we pulled the trigger first and Utd are left now with nowhere to go. I think the struggles they will have getting a top manager in will back up our experience in the summer....there are few top managers out there right now, lots of risky choices.
Secondly, it has always annoyed me to see managers dancing around on the sidelines like lunatics and Conte is up there as one of the most active. However, when you see his passion at the end of the game, celebrating his first league win, giving love to his team, you can just see the guy is full of energy and passion. Having seen some of the lifeless displays of this team over recent times, I can forgive the man this minor annoyance (to me at least) because you know it comes from his heart....he's not an exhibitionist like Jose. Conte's energy is genuine and it has to be infectious. This can only be good for some of our lot.
Finally. A first half display that got one thinking, wow, nothing has changed, these really are a bunch of useless players.
But i think that we have struggled under the press for ages now and it will take some time to reverse that. We all looked a little bit lost. Very encouraging to see such a turn around affected by the manager at half time. Personally i could not see any change in tactics other than upping our energy and pushing a bit higher, but everyone improved in the second half and we dominated.
I am not in to singling out players for criticism in these circumstances. A line has been drawn, we are on a new path now, everyone starts afresh and should be given the chance to prove themselves. I feel as if we can trust Conte to reach his own judgement.
Mura (a) next, followed by a trip to Burnley. COYS!
Conte
posted on 22/11/21
I agree that those three have underwhelmed but I just don't expect that to continue.
Im very much so in the "trust in Conte - if they're still not playing well under him than get rid" camp fwiw. Very happy to hold my hands up about them if they're still playing Shiite under him this time next season. Just have confidence in them to turn it around.
Lucas is at his peak age and is just an ok premier league player. Which is fine for an ok premier league team but not for where we want to be imo
posted on 22/11/21
Lucas is at his peak age and is just an ok premier league player.
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I think most of us could agree on that. My question is, who do we play instead? Assuming we stick with the current system he's probably our best option on the right. Bergwijn and maybe even Lo Celso could have a go I guess but neither of them deserve it as yet.
posted on 22/11/21
I want to see a 532. Drop Lucas for Ndombele or Lo Celso and put Son up front.
posted on 22/11/21
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posted on 22/11/21
____________Lloris
_____Romero_Dier_Davies
Emerson__PEH_Skipp__Reguilon
__________Ndombele
_______Kane_______Son
Looks good to me.
posted on 22/11/21
Yes very keen to move away from the 343
posted on 22/11/21
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
I think it's far too early to be calling us decisive and United clowns for delaying Ole's sacking. For a start we don't know how things will end up under Conte but the law of averages says that given he's an intense character with intense methods, it blows up after season two or, at most, three. What's left behind is often difficult to clear up, not dissimilar to a post-Jose era. I'm pleased we have Conte, don't get me wrong. He's a brilliant manager but he needs consistent backing and I have my doubts that the ownership will keep up with his demands. So you have to ask yourself whether he is right for us in the current structure.
I think United are playing a smarter game. They're looking for the holistic, long term approach where success is made and a legacy is created. You don't get that with Conte but you do with Poch. I'm amazed it's taken them this long to realise it but when you've been through Van Gaal and then Jose, the idea of appointing Conte just felt too similarly short term. If they get Poch then I think they've won the managerial lottery here, not us. He could win a lot with their budget and who knows, he might even end up there longer than he was with us, which is a painful thought.
Let's see where we are in a couple of years before calling this because from where I'm sitting, based on the structure of the two clubs, United are the winners, not us.
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why are you predicting doom and gloom already. Conte is nothing like Jose,not least because he is at the top of his game and Jose was passed his sell by date a good few years ago.
Anyone can says "let's wait and see" when comparing Spurs and Utds managerial position needs their head read. Are you promoting that we should have kept Nuno or appointed Mason as temp because you don't seem happy with the appointment of a proven winner as our manager.
posted on 23/11/21
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 54 minutes ago
I think it's far too early to be calling us decisive and United clowns for delaying Ole's sacking. For a start we don't know how things will end up under Conte but the law of averages says that given he's an intense character with intense methods, it blows up after season two or, at most, three. What's left behind is often difficult to clear up, not dissimilar to a post-Jose era. I'm pleased we have Conte, don't get me wrong. He's a brilliant manager but he needs consistent backing and I have my doubts that the ownership will keep up with his demands. So you have to ask yourself whether he is right for us in the current structure.
I think United are playing a smarter game. They're looking for the holistic, long term approach where success is made and a legacy is created. You don't get that with Conte but you do with Poch. I'm amazed it's taken them this long to realise it but when you've been through Van Gaal and then Jose, the idea of appointing Conte just felt too similarly short term. If they get Poch then I think they've won the managerial lottery here, not us. He could win a lot with their budget and who knows, he might even end up there longer than he was with us, which is a painful thought.
Let's see where we are in a couple of years before calling this because from where I'm sitting, based on the structure of the two clubs, United are the winners, not us.
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why are you predicting doom and gloom already. Conte is nothing like Jose,not least because he is at the top of his game and Jose was passed his sell by date a good few years ago.
Anyone can says "let's wait and see" when comparing Spurs and Utds managerial position needs their head read. Are you promoting that we should have kept Nuno or appointed Mason as temp because you don't seem happy with the appointment of a proven winner as our manager.
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I'm not predicting doom and gloom. I'm just providing some much needed balance to this comment
"I think our actions were prompted by the turmoil at Old Trafford, we pulled the trigger first and Utd are left now with nowhere to go."
...that you made in the main article. This is by no means a Conte bashing. I'm excited about what he can do as he is, without question, one of the world's best but he is a demanding figure. That much you can't deny. He will demand not just from the players but the ownership too. My issue is less with Conte and more towards an expectation that the current ownership won't match his ambitions financially. I think that's a pretty safe bet. They're businessman, not some Middle Eastern prince hellbent on sportswashing whatever the cost. If you think the current outlay will be enough to satisfy Conte then great. I don't think it will be so for all the short term success we may have, the car crash that will follow might be a tough watch.
You've made it sound like United are fecked. They're not at all. Pochettino, as much as it pains me to say it, is the perfect boss for them. They're unusually patient for such a successful club, they'll give him time and, crucially, the kind of funds we couldn't provide him. It's a match made in heaven.
To my mind, we've both done well to replace Ole and Nuno with Poch and Conte but my bet is that only one club will be cruising near the top and picking up trophies three years from now and it won't be us. I'd like us to be a big team for a long period, not just for two years.
Oh, and my comparison with Jose was purely about the average tenure and the financial demands, not necessarily about their specific abilities. I think it's perfectly valid, if not undeniable.
posted on 23/11/21
You are predicting the powers will not meet his demands and it will end in tears.
He has never really been about how much is spent, more a case of who is bought (or sold in the case of Inter).
I see the conflict being more about the type of player, rather than how much money will be spent.
There is a conflict when you have a top manager such as this brought in to make us a success but on a short deal. By its very nature this will demand quality signings to make an instant impact.
I do not think the club have an issue spending money that we have, and we now have much bigger resources than the past. The problem will be spending £30m on a 29 year old defender or the same or more on a 22 year old defender. Conte will want the experience and Levy will want the younger.
So there will need to be a balance found between purchasing players with a long future at the club and players who are quality and will make an impact.
I think the approach will be, judging by some of the rumours circulating, that we will target some established players towards the end of their contracts (and then their age matters less as the fee will be lower) as well as more youthful prospects who will cost a lot more.
January will be telling. I think it helps massively that the DOF is a compatriot and worked with Conte before.
posted on 5/12/21
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