Signing unvaccinated players

Everybody I know who has got Covid over Christmas is vaccinated. It seemingly makes no difference in terms of contracting the virus, if it helps stop it spreading then great.

They’re also not sick at all. Whether that’s down to the vaccine or the weakened omicron, I’ll leave to the scientists.

comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
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From the above, in case you can’t be bothered:

After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Pfizer booster, vaccine effectiveness is still at 45% after 10-plus weeks.

After a Pfizer primary course followed by a Moderna booster, vaccine effectiveness “stated around 70 to 75% after a Moderna booster up to 9 weeks after booster.”
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Not disputing the general direction of your argument but you don't do yourself favours by (deliberately?) omitting the 2x Astra + Pfizer numbers which are not as good and which is the most common dosage in the UK.

The press do have a lot to answer for in spoon feeding gullibles with sensationalist half-truths but the fact remains that the effectiveness against Omicron is about half that of Delta, even with the booster - about 7x poorer without the booster.

And the fact remains that the 35% effectiveness against Omicron after 10 weeks of 2x Astra+1x Pfizer is similar to poor year effectiveness of a flu vaccine.
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How are all these facts? they're still collecting data.

Another pub expert
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The virus is less than 3 years old, at what point is the data considered “collected”?

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comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
Scientists are the most inherently argumentative community on the planet, and the peer review process is brutal. There is no chance the vaccines would have passed clinical trials if there was any suggestion at all of political pressure.

The fact that they're still in the monitoring period (in line with standard practice for any new pharmaceticals) means that the review (not approval) process in ongoing, so the suggestion of unscientific approval is nonsense.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the clinical trails won't actually be completed, and there's some red flags around the methodology in the first place (trials conducted on mostly - or even exclusively - people in lower risk categories for Covid19 to begin with, for eg). A couple of the manufacturers I believe basically ended their trials by unblinding their control group. Maybe all of them did - I can't remember. The British Medical Journal published a commentary back along.

Personally I've no firm idea about the trials having not read too much on them recently. But are you *absolutely* sure - would bet your family's life, for instance - on what you said;
"the suggestion of unscientific approval is nonsense."??

I ask because we already know that improper science does indeed lead to medical products entering the market that later turn out to be problematic - catastrophic even - for patients. There's a very interesting and revealing documentary on Netflix called The Bleeding Edge which examines implanted devices (like hip replacements) and their not so difficult route to market. It's endorsed (the documentary, that is) by the BMJ.

For the record, I'm not saying this is the case with the jabs (that they are problematic or unsafe etc). I'm just challenging the underlying assumption that everything that passes to market must be hunky dory.

You’re an idiot if you’d choose to remain unvaccinated.

Where do you guys stand on this? If a top class player becomes available but they aren’t jabbed up would you agree with those managers?
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On the basis that top footballers in their 20's are fit, healthy and not likely to require hospitalisation/not in a high risk category for Covid, then I'd not personally have any issue with the club signing a player that hasn't been jabbed for Covid. The risk of being hospitalised at these ages is very very small, so I don't really understand the reactions of many to the idea of a professional athlete not being jabbed.

Is it better if they are jabbed? Sure, in terms of limiting their own risk. But it's their choice & I don't really see grounds for a discriminatory transfer policy on that basis.

Well well well, just a mere 24 hours and the science is saying Omicron, it's "just another form of the common cold".

comment by Nsno-let us pray (U22663)
posted 26 minutes ago
Well well well, just a mere 24 hours and Facebook is saying Omicron, it's "just another form of the common cold".
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