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Anti vax.

Why?
If we can à nice debate with no insults.
First I agree that nobody should be forced to have one. What is put into our bodies is under our control.

Now as far as I can see the scientific and medical groups have been overwhelmingly in favour. With only a few against.
The consensus is that whilst not 100% effective, and has some side effects, occasionally bad, it is much better overall and will save lives.

In my family there are two non vaxxers who are not anti as such, but live in the country so
think it doesn't apply to them. So far they are right.

What other reasons do people have for not getting jabbed. They/you must have réasons that are valid to you, so what are they please?

For myself, having no medical knowledge, when my doctor told me to have it, I didn't hesitate. Added to that was my immunisation contre polio, diphtheria, smallpox and measles, which were thought of as wonderful things to have, and free on the new NHS.

Finally, there are two sides to every story, I've just given mine, and would like to hear the opposing view.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Michael, this isn't right. 😭 (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ironically, I imagine all those that think everyone should get vaxxed think pro choice on abortion. And those that are pro life are more pro choice on vax. Funny world.
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How ridiculous. Vaccines are life and death. If you don't get vaccinated then there's almost a 0.01% chance that you'll DIE and there's also a chance you might spread it to others who will have a similar chance of being KILLED. Abortion is just like doing a poo but out your front. Certainly not life and death. Impossible to compare the two.
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You're ridiculous. I did a poo out my front once and died. It's more common than you think. Do your research!!!!

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

I'm fully vaccinated. No, I don't know "what's in it". Neither this vaccine or the ones I had as a child. Nor do I know what's in the 11 secret herbs and spices at KFC.

I also don't know exactly what's in Ibuprofen or Paracetamol -- they just cure my headaches & my pains.

I don't know what's in tattoo ink, botox and fillers, or every ingredient in my soap, shampoo or deodorants. I don’t know the long term effect of mobile phone use, or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at REALLY used clean foods and washed their hands.

There's a lot of things I don't know.

I do know one thing: life is short. Very short. And I, personally, still want to do things. I want to travel and hug people without fear, and find a little feeling of life "before".

Throughout my life I've been vaccinated against many diseases. Measles, mumps, rubella, polio, chickenpox, hepatitis, pneumonia, influenza, rotavirus, tetanus, pertussis. My parents (and I) trusted the science, and never had to suffer through or transmit any of those said diseases.

I'm vaccinated. Not to please the government. Not to make other people do it. But I don't want to:
* die from Covid-19
* clutter a hospital bed if I get sick
* not be able to hug my loved ones
* have to test routinely
* live my life in fear

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posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 10 minutes ago
I'm fully vaccinated. No, I don't know "what's in it". Neither this vaccine or the ones I had as a child. Nor do I know what's in the 11 secret herbs and spices at KFC.

I also don't know exactly what's in Ibuprofen or Paracetamol -- they just cure my headaches & my pains.

I don't know what's in tattoo ink, botox and fillers, or every ingredient in my soap, shampoo or deodorants. I don’t know the long term effect of mobile phone use, or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at REALLY used clean foods and washed their hands.

There's a lot of things I don't know.

I do know one thing: life is short. Very short. And I, personally, still want to do things. I want to travel and hug people without fear, and find a little feeling of life "before".

Throughout my life I've been vaccinated against many diseases. Measles, mumps, rubella, polio, chickenpox, hepatitis, pneumonia, influenza, rotavirus, tetanus, pertussis. My parents (and I) trusted the science, and never had to suffer through or transmit any of those said diseases.

I'm vaccinated. Not to please the government. Not to make other people do it. But I don't want to:
* die from Covid-19
* clutter a hospital bed if I get sick
* not be able to hug my loved ones
* have to test routinely
* live my life in fear

❣️


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WhatsApp message recently sent to me
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Great post and bangh on the money

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

I'm vaccinated. Not to please the government. Not to make other people do it. But I don't want to:
* die from Covid-19
* clutter a hospital bed if I get sick
* not be able to hug my loved ones
* have to test routinely
* live my life in fear
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I think a safer bet to not live your life in fear would be to not watch the news on tv

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 37 minutes ago
My summary of this thread so far

It seems that a lot of people can’t get their heads around this point: many people who have chosen not to take these Covid vaccines are NOT anti-vax. They simply don’t want these specific Covid vaccines for any number of reasons be they logical or not. The MSM, however doesn’t hesitate to label anyone who hasn’t had the Covid vaccines eg. Djokovic as ‘Anti-vax’. Why the automatic label, huh?

Sadly that mentality has been adopted by many on forums such as these. I’m NOT against vaccines in general but I don’t want these Covid related vaccines. That does not make me or anyone else with a similar viewpoint ‘anti-vax’

As someone above suggested, there really is a different mentality taken towards those who haven’t/ don’t want it to those that have. The OP asked for no insults. Whilst that was unlikely to happen, the majority of the insults have come from those in favour of the vaccines towards the unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated and PROTECTED, why the overboard concern about any risks from unvaccinated? And why the need for insults?

Like someone else said and I thoroughly take this view, it doesn’t matter to me what anybody’s choice is, either online or more so irl. I believe It’s up to the individual but some here mostly whom are pro feel everyone, unless they have an exceptional excuse should get it.
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I say no insults because it can kill the thread and stop good debates. It descends into trading insults and ignoring anything else.
Re saying anti vax, I think it's just a shprthand for people who don't want this one.
Regardless of how I feel about it, every poster has as much right as any other to their opinion, and I like to hear the opposing side. It's surprising how often you can learn something.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

"If you are vaccinated and PROTECTED, why the overboard concern about any risks from unvaccinated? "

Mostly because the whole thing will drag on longer while the virus makes it's way through the unvaccinated. Also there is a markedly increased chance of variants appearing within the unvaccinated, again lengthening the whole thing and increasing the chances of a vaccine defying variant that would fack us all again. If the unvaccinated were to all meet up and intentionally infect themselves, that'd probably achieve the same thing I guess - maybe it's time for "Covid parties".

"And why the need for insults?"

No idea. Some people can't help themselves, it's just how they communicate.

comment by Ruiney (U1005)

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 46 minutes ago
My summary of this thread so far

It seems that a lot of people can’t get their heads around this point: many people who have chosen not to take these Covid vaccines are NOT anti-vax. They simply don’t want these specific Covid vaccines for any number of reasons be they logical or not. The MSM, however doesn’t hesitate to label anyone who hasn’t had the Covid vaccines eg. Djokovic as ‘Anti-vax’. Why the automatic label, huh?

Sadly that mentality has been adopted by many on forums such as these. I’m NOT against vaccines in general but I don’t want these Covid related vaccines. That does not make me or anyone else with a similar viewpoint ‘anti-vax’

As someone above suggested, there really is a different mentality taken towards those who haven’t/ don’t want it to those that have. The OP asked for no insults. Whilst that was unlikely to happen, the majority of the insults have come from those in favour of the vaccines towards the unvaccinated. If you are vaccinated and PROTECTED, why the overboard concern about any risks from unvaccinated? And why the need for insults?

Like someone else said and I thoroughly take this view, it doesn’t matter to me what anybody’s choice is, either online or more so irl. I believe It’s up to the individual but some here mostly whom are pro feel everyone, unless they have an exceptional excuse should get it.
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A quick google will tell you that Novak is indeed an anti vaxxer.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

Oh yeah, dammit, I meant to address that too.

In the context of this discussion, and most disccusions at the moment "anti-vaxxer" is purely someone against Covid vax, for whatever reason - personally, I don't make any assumption that is their position for all vaccinations.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

My misinformed body, my misinformed choice.

posted 2 weeks, 2 days ago

I am Jack’s cold sweat

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