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Ronaldo vs our youth

If the latest revelations are true Ronaldo is less than impressed by the way our youth players train and their attitudes. Is this his 2005 Keane moment? Or does he have a point? We’ve heard over the years that Greenwood isn’t quite the driven pro we need him to be. He’s not quite Ravel Morrison in terms of being unprofessional but for someone supposed to be our best prospect in years he really could do with stepping up and who better to be inspired by than Ronaldo?

Again, if true - how does this end? Will Ronaldo drag our standards through the roof? Or is he gonna leave at the end of the season and let the next guy deal with the rot that’s set in?

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posted 2 days, 13 hours ago

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 7 minutes ago

Loool

Jose was poor however ole was a disaster. He’s lumped us with hundreds of millions worth of dead wood: maguire, awb and soon sancho!!
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Jose wanted to sign Meguire also. Far too early to judge Sancho. I will give you AWB. He's average.
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Incorrect. Alderweireld was the CB that Jose wanted.
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I think that Alderwield was an option. So was Meguire. Pretty sure Jose said as much when he was commentating on a game.

And it was widely reported at the time that Jose wanted Meguire:

However, according to reporter Andy Mitten, Mourinho decided against paying £50m for Maguire in the summer of 2018, as he felt it would impact negatively on his “professional reputation.”

“The club found Mourinho complicated to work with,” Mitten writes.

“He wanted to sign Harry Maguire from Leicester City in the summer of 2018 but absolutely insisted United didn’t pay more than £50 million for the England defender since it would impact on his professional reputation.

“United heeded the wishes of their manager, only to hear him say two months later that Maguire was a priority. Leicester had no need or desire to sell and they didn’t, despite the player wanting to move to Old Trafford.”

posted 2 days, 13 hours ago

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 hour ago
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. There were loads or reasons why that team scorer fewer goals. Most obviously Beckham leaving and Ronaldo not being the playing he exploded into after the world cup.
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He comes out games goes to sheit, he leaves our game turns to some of the best football we've ever seen. But correlation is not causation.

Also Ruud in his new club Real. Broke records there too.

I also used to remember when the team goes through dry spells, they were the same foolish discussions we have now (no creativity in midfield, no supply from midfeld bla bla).

People just need to get their fixation off "goal scorers" and focus on good football.

posted 2 days, 12 hours ago

With respect, you don’t understand football.

posted 2 days, 12 hours ago

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 1 hour ago
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. There were loads or reasons why that team scorer fewer goals. Most obviously Beckham leaving and Ronaldo not being the playing he exploded into after the world cup.
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He comes out games goes to sheit, he leaves our game turns to some of the best football we've ever seen. But correlation is not causation.

Also Ruud in his new club Real. Broke records there too.

I also used to remember when the team goes through dry spells, they were the same foolish discussions we have now (no creativity in midfield, no supply from midfeld bla bla).

People just need to get their fixation off "goal scorers" and focus on good football.
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Yep, totally agree with this. We were at our best after Ruud left and we had more fluidity and the front player became more interchangeable.

I haven't got anything against Ruud - he was phenomenal at what he did. But I think that him being the focal point of the attack was detrimental to the team overall.

posted 2 days, 11 hours ago

It wasn’t because Ruud left that that happened, though. Exhibited by the football not being like that when he was out injured in the seasons before, Saha didn’t make a difference then for obvious reasons (and he missed loads of games in 06/07).

Ruud leaving helped, but not as much as having a proper back four again with the flair of Evra, Carrick being brought in, Scholes getting better in a more disciplined cm role, Rooney getting more experience and the most obvious issue of Ronaldo exploding into the best player in the world - something that wasn’t much to do with style as it was his unrelenting will to prove the whole nation wrong after what happened at the world cup.

I felt sorry for Ruud having to play in such weak United teams (by our standards), but that people are now using hindsight to try and blame him for hindering the team is mental.

posted 2 days, 11 hours ago

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It wasn’t because Ruud left that that happened, though. Exhibited by the football not being like that when he was out injured in the seasons before, Saha didn’t make a difference then for obvious reasons (and he missed loads of games in 06/07).

Ruud leaving helped, but not as much as having a proper back four again with the flair of Evra, Carrick being brought in, Scholes getting better in a more disciplined cm role, Rooney getting more experience and the most obvious issue of Ronaldo exploding into the best player in the world - something that wasn’t much to do with style as it was his unrelenting will to prove the whole nation wrong after what happened at the world cup.

I felt sorry for Ruud having to play in such weak United teams (by our standards), but that people are now using hindsight to try and blame him for hindering the team is mental.
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There is no hindsight about it. I remember having the same conversations about Ruud and Saha back in the day on the old BBC forums. Some people thought we looked more dangerous with Saha in the team, as he offered more movement and allowed the other attacking players to drift into other areas and get more involved in attacks. Others preferred to have Ruud in the team with the clinical finishing.

And the teams we played in in the first 3 seasons or so weren't really that weak.

posted 2 days, 11 hours ago

I’m sure you did. I’m sure you’ll remember how bad we were in 04/05 when Ruud got injured and Saha couldn’t hit a barn door. We didn’t look more dangerous then. It’s one of the reasons we scored so few goals that season as well. Ole was always injured as well, unlike 06/07.

It’s such a weak argument to blame Ruud when there’s clearly a multitude of other reasons for why we were a worse team, that scored fewer goals, with him at the club.

posted 2 days, 11 hours ago

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 51 seconds ago
I’m sure you did. I’m sure you’ll remember how bad we were in 04/05 when Ruud got injured and Saha couldn’t hit a barn door. We didn’t look more dangerous then. It’s one of the reasons we scored so few goals that season as well. Ole was always injured as well, unlike 06/07.

It’s such a weak argument to blame Ruud when there’s clearly a multitude of other reasons for why we were a worse team, that scored fewer goals, with him at the club.
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I'm not saying its all down to Rudd, but he played a part in that. We were too focused on him being the scorer that it was detrimental to the team as a whole.

Look at his first season. In the 99/00 season we scored 97 league goals. The following season after Ruud joined we scored 79. And there was no massive change to the outfield players. Certainly not the midfielders that linked with Ruud.

posted 2 days, 11 hours ago

That didn’t happen, did it? Ruud joined in 2001, we scored 87 goals that season.

comment by Don (U22703)

posted 2 days, 7 hours ago

comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 5 hours, 16 minutes ago
With respect, you don’t understand football.
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You just called Van De Beek a poor player.

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