One of the most divisive issues in the country is settled, and settled for the forseeable future. So no gloating, no moaning.
The question is, what is the best way forward;
There are a lot of issues but I think the main ones are:
Defence. There has been a lot of talk about an EU defence force, but so far only talk.
The only two countries with a proper military set up are the UK and France. There has been talk in the past about sharing, which economically makes sense. But I don't think is should happen or will. We tend to have different objectives,
them Mali an ex colony, us the Falklands. I can't see any agreement reached on the logistics of that. So keep as it is.
Trade, another biggie. The EU is our nearest and biggest trading area. There has been talk, and a little action, on signing deals with countries outside the EU,mainly with commonwealth countries and the USA.
I believe our best interest is in reaching the best possible deal with the EU, they want us to sell to, we know each other.
Buying and selling to Australia for example may be worth having, but not at the expense of closer to home.
With climate change bringing something halfway around the world that could be got locally is going to be rightly frowned at at least.
Borders. We need to keep the borders as easy to cross as possible for trade and tourism. We don't want long queues
or masses of paperwork, so negotiate with a good will.
Farmers will want the eastern Europeans to pick their crops, universities foreign students. Let's work to make this possible.
So a good negotiator, not like the last who had ill will to the EU from the off.
Security. Yes, let's stay in Interpol, and share information on crime and terrorism.
Also let's take part in Cern, the space program, medical research, surely all good things.
Fishing. Let's keep it simple, we keep our fishing waters ie the first twelve miles from the coast, we eat our own fish. The EU does the same with their waters. Sorry Switzerland.
Northern Ireland I have literally no idea what is the best way forward on that mess. Somebody much cleverer than me will have that to sort out.
A tiny thing,but still...au pairs, pen friends, school trips abroad encourage them. Whatever we think about the EU Europe is on our door step, filled with culture, different foods, languages, customes, let's keep Europe close to our hearts.
Over to the brainstrust, I am always impressed by the knowledge on this site, and we've had some great debates.
No insults please.
Finally as always, I have no special knowledge, it's just opinion. And I'm sure I missed lots.
After Brexit
posted on 16/1/22
comment by Beeb - Legacy Fan (U1841)
posted 10 minutes ago
“ Absolutely. Of course the ramifications will continue. But we have left. So how best to make it work.”
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This is not the case 52 in the strictest legal sense. The NI protocol has yet to be implemented and, as Theresa May loved to repeatedly say; “Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.”
The EU have, since January 2020 adopted this position.
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So despite Brexit, and a basic agreement reached and signed, we haven't actually left. We are still a member. We'll Hurrah.
posted on 16/1/22
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
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Think one of the major takeaways is that for many UK businesses they cannot "make the best of it" as market access has been completely closed off and/or wholly unviable.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
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It's just that this doesn't make sense in the context of the process. The leave campaign, then post vote the Tory party did such a huge job of lying they turned a huge barely started process into a slogan (get Brexit done) that entirely misleads to what's actually happening
posted on 16/1/22
Mm. That's certainly not what I read on wiki, or the Guardian. We have left. So as per the OP we need to make the best of it, and negotiate as best we can.
But I'm certainly happy to listen to you're view as to why we have only just started.
The withdrawal treaty was signed over a year ago, we have no influence over them or them over us in a'y meaningful way
According to my reading
posted on 16/1/22
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
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Would Europe want us back? And on what terms
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - What is it now, Ralf? (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Apparently most poeple in the UK would vote to rejoin the EU if they were asked. That's a powerful carrot for other political parties other than the torys to dangle in front of the electorate.
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Would Europe want us back? And on what terms
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From a purely economic perspective yes. The UK would probably lose many of it's opt outs it enjoyed before, and a few tweaks to enchance environmental, working rights etc (to meet baseline EU standards) the UK would comfortably meet the rules for ascension.
Politically there's next to no chance of the UK rejoining any time soon.
posted on 16/1/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
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Some ideas on how to make the best of it, in order of descending net benefit:
1. Undo it and rejoin
2. Bin the TCA and rejoin both the SM and CU. Join the EFTA.
3. Common Market 2.0, with membership of the CU and regulatory alignment with the SM
4. Some other kind of customs union
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10. Current pointless self harm approach
posted on 16/1/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I think what I was trying to get a debate about was how to make the best of it. Rather than a discussion of the niceties of our leaving.
I know there will be ramifications for years, but hopefully not too much divisifness if we do a good job of moving on. We won't be joining again any time soon.
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Some ideas on how to make the best of it, in order of descending net benefit:
1. Undo it and rejoin
2. Bin the TCA and rejoin both the SM and CU. Join the EFTA.
3. Common Market 2.0, with membership of the CU and regulatory alignment with the SM
4. Some other kind of customs union
.
.
.
10. Current pointless self harm approach
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