This probably isn't relevant but for those of you that share the same opinion as me that they have certain reservations about Conte's effectiveness at a financially restricted club like Spurs, the Poch option for now seems off the table, should a manager swap ever be more than just rumour.
It could just be contract posturing or a way to say publicly "if you want to get rid of me, you're going to have to pay me off" but it seems an odd thing to say otherwise. The PSG fans must be going mad at this. They can't wait to get shot of him even though, for me, their problems are more to do with recruitment. Why hire a man known for pressing and then demand the inclusion of three passengers, albeit highly talented ones? A whole host of managers have failed there. It's not down to him.
My worry about Conte is that he could eff off and leave at a moment's notice and then what? I don't like the lack of security that comes with a man like Conte. Where's the commitment to the project? All I see is a frustrated figure at times. If he's only gonna be with us for another year then I'm not particularly on board with giving him a huge budget. That should go to someone committed to a 3-4 year plan. Otherwise we're left with a squad of players that fit the unique Conte system and not much else.
If it were timed right, I'd like Poch back for another go and that window will be short should he be given the boot in the summer. I know some of you are dead against it, citing that "looking back" isn't the answer. It's not looking back. It's looking forward with a man we know fits the club. If Conte does leave then who else would you look at? Who else with that profile would want to join us?
I'm not advocating sacking Conte, more asking Levy to put his balls on the line and asking Antonio just how committed he is before splashing the cash. I think it's only fair.
Here's the full article on Poch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61262229
Pochettino staying at PSG
posted on 29/4/22
God, the Mancini rumours are gaining traction. Now Matt Law at the Telegraph is reporting the same.
That to me is terrifying. Have we learned nothing?
posted on 29/4/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 19 minutes ago
God, the Mancini rumours are gaining traction. Now Matt Law at the Telegraph is reporting the same.
That to me is terrifying. Have we learned nothing?
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Please no! At least Conte is the best version of this type of manager. Hiring Mancini would show that Paratici has too much power and that we're doomed.
posted on 29/4/22
Every team has the ability to define a club philosophy and create plan for it. To call it a luxury is just absurd. That's how success, relatively speaking depending on the side, is nurtured.
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And yet, very few do because a competitive, results driven business like football - with a finite amount of managers with the quality to deliver - makes it very difficult.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for romanticism and clubs taking this route, but I just don’t think it’s dysfunctional to not be like that.
posted on 29/4/22
comment by Anthony The King Elanga (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Every team has the ability to define a club philosophy and create plan for it. To call it a luxury is just absurd. That's how success, relatively speaking depending on the side, is nurtured.
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And yet, very few do because a competitive, results driven business like football - with a finite amount of managers with the quality to deliver - makes it very difficult.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for romanticism and clubs taking this route, but I just don’t think it’s dysfunctional to not be like that.
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You must wish very badly that your club would take this route.
posted on 29/4/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by Brother (U20548)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
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comment by BelfastSpur (U15068)
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comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
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#thfc are making contingency plans in the event that Antonio Conte leaves this summer. Graham Potter and Roberto Mancini have both been identified as potential replacements. [Daily Mail]
Mauricio Pochettino is not certain to return to #thfc should Antonio Conte leave. Some within the hierarchy are opposed to his potential return. [Daily Mail]
Tottenham’s plan A is for Conte to stay in charge heading into next season - and there is a feeling behind the scenes that he will not walk away. @SamiMokbel81_DM
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Lazy journalism as far as I'm concerned. That said, if any of it were true then lining up Potter or Mancini is a perfect glimpse of just how dysfunctional and confused the club are at board level. They're two completely different coaches. Potter would be a Levy appointment, Mancini a Paratici one. If we end up with another boring Italian, I'm not gonna bother anymore. Wake me up when Paratici gets the boot as if he's making all the footballing decision, this purgatory we're in is just going to continue. If Conte goes, I'd like to see him given the boot also. The signing of Royal alone is grounds for dismissal.
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LOL, so basically you want Poch, or you aint going to watch Spurs anymore?
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I think with that comment it would be an open progressive type manager he is calling for ie Potter.
Sandy you got it wrong calling for Poch to go for months. Now you’re just doubling down on your effects. For an old timer I wish had half your energy though, you’re relentless.
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Poch had to go, so why woud I now want him back?
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Because maybe it's best to judge him for his first 4.5 years more than the 6 months prior to his sacking. Him and the players have already admitted that losing the CL final killed them. There's your reason. He probably did need a change of scenery as did the club but we've both had pretty horrible experiences since then. Maybe he'd come back revitalised to get back on the horse again.
For someone so eternally optimistic Sandy, I'm surprised you only focus on the short bad period under Poch and not the years of progress.
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Sandy isn't an optimist, he's a contrarian. So when the general mood is pessimism he's writing optimistic drivel and when the mood is optimistic he'll find a reason to write negative articles. The same is true when he backs players most fans can see aren't good enough or slates players who are generally liked and believed to be doing well.
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to be fair, you're absolutely bang on there.
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That's cos Brother is an idiot.
posted on 29/4/22
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Anthony The King Elanga (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Every team has the ability to define a club philosophy and create plan for it. To call it a luxury is just absurd. That's how success, relatively speaking depending on the side, is nurtured.
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And yet, very few do because a competitive, results driven business like football - with a finite amount of managers with the quality to deliver - makes it very difficult.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for romanticism and clubs taking this route, but I just don’t think it’s dysfunctional to not be like that.
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You must wish very badly that your club would take this route.
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I’d take stringing three passes together.
posted on 29/4/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by Anthony The King Elanga (U10026)
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Disagree with that entirely regarding lining up different managers with completely different profiles. If you know who you are and what you want to be, you'd have made the decision about the profile of coach you're looking for long before creating a list of names to approach.
You don't limit yourself to one manager. You limit yourself to a whole host of managers that fit a certain profile. Potter and Mancini being on the same list speak of indecision and an ill-thought club philosophy.
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Who are these whole host of managers?
Consider that it’s not just about style and profile but competence as well. You wouldn’t appoint the Swansea manager because he’s got them playing nice possession football, for example.
In an ideal world Spurs would be able to run the club the way you are suggesting, but it’s not that simple and bigger, better run clubs haven’t had that luxury either.
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To be fair, it's not my job to know every progressive modern manager out there. The reason bigger clubs haven't had that luxury is because there is an expectation when it comes to managers and appointing a Championship manager directly wouldn't look good. Everyone starts somewhere and those same managers you're describing from Swansea and the like eventually do get a chance with the big teams if they're good enough. In fact, Potter himself was manager at Swansea.
Some clubs don't need to run their club like that. Chelsea have the means to do it their own way, piling money at problems until they win. Newcastle might do the same. However City are where they are because they described after Mancini left as looking for a more holistic approach, a more aesthetic harmony that's in agreement from top to bottom. They brought in Pellegrini precisely because their man was Pep and he was on a sabbatical. They even poached Txiki Begiristain to enhance that harmony. That's why they're where they are. Same for Liverpool.
Every team has the ability to define a club philosophy and create plan for it. To call it a luxury is just absurd. That's how success, relatively speaking depending on the side, is nurtured.
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City are where they are because they can outspend everyone. Where were they before the oil money?
posted on 29/4/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Anthony The King Elanga (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 30 minutes ago
Disagree with that entirely regarding lining up different managers with completely different profiles. If you know who you are and what you want to be, you'd have made the decision about the profile of coach you're looking for long before creating a list of names to approach.
You don't limit yourself to one manager. You limit yourself to a whole host of managers that fit a certain profile. Potter and Mancini being on the same list speak of indecision and an ill-thought club philosophy.
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Who are these whole host of managers?
Consider that it’s not just about style and profile but competence as well. You wouldn’t appoint the Swansea manager because he’s got them playing nice possession football, for example.
In an ideal world Spurs would be able to run the club the way you are suggesting, but it’s not that simple and bigger, better run clubs haven’t had that luxury either.
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To be fair, it's not my job to know every progressive modern manager out there. The reason bigger clubs haven't had that luxury is because there is an expectation when it comes to managers and appointing a Championship manager directly wouldn't look good. Everyone starts somewhere and those same managers you're describing from Swansea and the like eventually do get a chance with the big teams if they're good enough. In fact, Potter himself was manager at Swansea.
Some clubs don't need to run their club like that. Chelsea have the means to do it their own way, piling money at problems until they win. Newcastle might do the same. However City are where they are because they described after Mancini left as looking for a more holistic approach, a more aesthetic harmony that's in agreement from top to bottom. They brought in Pellegrini precisely because their man was Pep and he was on a sabbatical. They even poached Txiki Begiristain to enhance that harmony. That's why they're where they are. Same for Liverpool.
Every team has the ability to define a club philosophy and create plan for it. To call it a luxury is just absurd. That's how success, relatively speaking depending on the side, is nurtured.
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City are where they are because they can outspend everyone. Where were they before the oil money?
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But City are an example of what can happen when a philosophy and plan is clear because although they've spent a lot, it's roughly the same or slightly less than United, who are frankly awful right now. That shows the difference in between a club that has direction and one that doesn't, or at least is confused about what it currently represents.
posted on 29/4/22
City are at the highest point you can be when money and club philosophy are both working in harmony together.
United are as low as you can possibly be when you have money and no plan. It's the difference between 1st and 6th.
posted on 29/4/22
They are also a unique case. There’s only one Pep Guardiola. That’s why it’s a luxury few other clubs have.