This is a bit of a rant but oh well, If by the grace of God we win the PL this season I fully expect an avalanche of articles, news pieces and Pundit quips about how we have cheated our way to another league title. The usual stuff about spending a billion and cheating FFP.
That's fine, its par for the course when the media don't quite get the more dramatic story they want to spend the entire summer writing about, in this case its Liverpool and the Quad. We saw something similar in the 2018-19 season when we won the domestic treble. Liverpool were on the verge of their first PL Title after 28 years of spending more money than all PL clubs except 1) United, 2) Chelsea and 3) City. They bottled it and in the aftermath Pep was faced with questions about FFP and other negative stuff to discredit the achievement. Again its understandable as I know how the media works.
What I don't get is why does the media wait till the end of the season to start the negative stuff? Why not just run with it throughout the season or from the start? Is it because the bigger story they actually want to write and hope to write is that plucky Liverpool who have not spent any money have defeated this Financially doped Team that represents everything terrible in football?
Some people may have not noticed but before the match against Liverpool at the Etihad Der Spiegel released new evidence about FFP but the local media refused to run with it and we all know why.
I mean the entire season Liverpool and City are put on the same pedestal as the 2 best European teams, Created new benchmarks on how to win league titles and yet when the outcome they don't quite want materializes they reel out the negative stuff.
All of a sudden we see articles about Pep and team collapses , nothing about Klopp losing 6 finals in a row.
When its convenient they will write that Klopp has built this amazing team with the best front 3 which increased to best front 5. Best players in most positions for the last 4 years, Incredible squad.
Yet when its not convenient (Usually when they don't win the league) we forget that Liverpool have the best first 11 and the narrative shifts to how unlucky they are as if the best 11 was challenging against big bags of money.
Its all disingenuous to claim teams like City, Chelsea as part of the make-up of Top English sides in the best league in the world and then discredit it all when the teams you prefer to win aren't able to do it.
I have lived in this country's long enough to understand how the media works but I am still baffled at how these narratives sway.
Rant over.
Media Narratives and Bias
posted on 11/5/22
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
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posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Oh and all with a team built for £150m net.
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I understand how NET is relevant in a discussion about how well a club is run.
But sales achieved does not get away from how much has to be spent, gross, to develop a squad.
No one says "I bought my house for Net 200k" when it actually cost 400 and you sold your last house for 200. It's not a measure one uses to discuss the value of something. If the question is "how can you afford this" then net spend is relevant.
LFC have done well in the transfer market, buys and sales, but they have still spent vast amounts overall to get there. Both City and LFC buy very well.
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We've spent about as much as Spurs and less than Arsenal.
To be able to challenge City on that level of budget is an astounding achievement.
Teams that spend as much as Liverpool are struggling for top 4 while Klopp is delivering regular trophies and challenging City on less than half their budget.
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Is this true? Compare your wage bill to Arsenal, Spurs
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Higher wage bill explains why we’ve been successful and the other two haven’t
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Our wage bill is just a nose ahead of theirs.
And that's because of win and trophy bonuses.
Take those out and our basic wage is less than theirs.
As for net spend Arsenal have outspent Liverpool by over 250m last 5 years.
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Absolute rubbish about win bonuses. You made it up
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I thought our heavily incentivised contracts were common knowledge. Which planet do you live on?
posted on 11/5/22
No. You can be sure because these reports have to meet international accounting standards. A chunk of the wages will be other staff, from match stewards to the tea lady but the bulk are players, managers, coaches, of course.
All i have given you is facts. You want to contest that with links to sport websites then go ahead.
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And all you got back is facts. You're facts lack context IMO. Looking at this thread the tea lady's wages are not needed. The focus is on wages paid to playing staff and how that relates to performances and results for different teams.
The wages of both teams players are known to a reasonable extent and you can do the math yourself.
So unless our players are on double the reported wages
posted on 11/5/22
Imagine the media if Liverpool scored five goals back to back at this stage of the season
posted on 12/5/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 23 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Assassin Baby - (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/corporate/financial-information.
Page 26 of that Financial Report sets out Staff Numbers & Costs for 20/21 and 19/20:
Total sums (rounded) are £314m and £326m, respectively.
It doesnt get any more official than that...but feel free to argue with it, linking some sports website.
For completeness here is Spurs'
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/media/43691/financial-results-year-end-30-june-2021.pdf
See page 23 - Total wages £205m
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What is staff numbers and costs and what is total wages?
Each club makes its own financial documents so you can't be sure if its players only or staff included.
Unless all our players are on double the reported wages each then there is no way our playing staff collect that much.
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No. You can be sure because these reports have to meet international accounting standards. A chunk of the wages will be other staff, from match stewards to the tea lady but the bulk are players, managers, coaches, of course.
All i have given you is facts. You want to contest that with links to sport websites then go ahead.
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They also include directors wages. It says it in the file you posted.
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yeah. All clubs have directors. Levy is the highest paid chairman in the league apparently, so take out directors remuneration and the gap to Liverpools massive wages will be even higher.
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That's true only if each club has one director.
posted on 13/5/22
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
Imagine the media if Liverpool scored five goals back to back at this stage of the season
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Imagine conjuring up hypothetical scenarios to wind yourself up even more
posted on 13/5/22
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 days, 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 hours, 39 minutes ago
I think Peps frustration comes from their failure midweek but also the extensive hype Liverpools quad has received......its been talked about and they've gained credit and kudos when all they actually have is the League cup. City are on the verge of 3 titles in 4 years. Despite these Liverpool glory days, so far all they have is 1 title and 1 CL and. league cup, hardly compares to City achievements. City have dominated, Liverpool haven't and you can understand why Pep maybe feels LFC get more credit then they deserve. That said, City's achievement have an * next to them foe the reasons we all know.
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Big if obviously, but IF we were to win the cup treble this season whilst City win the league, then I'm not so sure it would hardly compare to City's achievements.
Would mean City have:
4 x League
4 x league cup
1 x FA cup
2 x Community shield
Whilst Liverpool have:
1 x league
2 x champions league
1 x league cup
1 x FA cup
1 x UEFA super cup
1 x Club world cup
Depends on how you see 1 league and 2 CL's stacking up against 4 league I guess.
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Just seen this. Totally agree.
It’s a phenomenal return given City’s clout.
posted on 19/5/22
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 days, 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 hours, 39 minutes ago
I think Peps frustration comes from their failure midweek but also the extensive hype Liverpools quad has received......its been talked about and they've gained credit and kudos when all they actually have is the League cup. City are on the verge of 3 titles in 4 years. Despite these Liverpool glory days, so far all they have is 1 title and 1 CL and. league cup, hardly compares to City achievements. City have dominated, Liverpool haven't and you can understand why Pep maybe feels LFC get more credit then they deserve. That said, City's achievement have an * next to them foe the reasons we all know.
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Big if obviously, but IF we were to win the cup treble this season whilst City win the league, then I'm not so sure it would hardly compare to City's achievements.
Would mean City have:
4 x League
4 x league cup
1 x FA cup
2 x Community shield
Whilst Liverpool have:
1 x league
2 x champions league
1 x league cup
1 x FA cup
1 x UEFA super cup
1 x Club world cup
Depends on how you see 1 league and 2 CL's stacking up against 4 league I guess.
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Just seen this. Totally agree.
It’s a phenomenal return given City’s clout.
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Liverpool havent won 2 Champions leagues in Peps/Klopps time.
Only in Liverpool are 6 trophies better than 11.
posted on 19/5/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 days, 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 hours, 39 minutes ago
I think Peps frustration comes from their failure midweek but also the extensive hype Liverpools quad has received......its been talked about and they've gained credit and kudos when all they actually have is the League cup. City are on the verge of 3 titles in 4 years. Despite these Liverpool glory days, so far all they have is 1 title and 1 CL and. league cup, hardly compares to City achievements. City have dominated, Liverpool haven't and you can understand why Pep maybe feels LFC get more credit then they deserve. That said, City's achievement have an * next to them foe the reasons we all know.
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Big if obviously, but IF we were to win the cup treble this season whilst City win the league, then I'm not so sure it would hardly compare to City's achievements.
Would mean City have:
4 x League
4 x league cup
1 x FA cup
2 x Community shield
Whilst Liverpool have:
1 x league
2 x champions league
1 x league cup
1 x FA cup
1 x UEFA super cup
1 x Club world cup
Depends on how you see 1 league and 2 CL's stacking up against 4 league I guess.
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Just seen this. Totally agree.
It’s a phenomenal return given City’s clout.
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Liverpool havent won 2 Champions leagues in Peps/Klopps time.
Only in Liverpool are 6 trophies better than 11.
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We're you unable to read the bit that said "if"?
posted on 19/5/22
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 days, 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 hours, 39 minutes ago
I think Peps frustration comes from their failure midweek but also the extensive hype Liverpools quad has received......its been talked about and they've gained credit and kudos when all they actually have is the League cup. City are on the verge of 3 titles in 4 years. Despite these Liverpool glory days, so far all they have is 1 title and 1 CL and. league cup, hardly compares to City achievements. City have dominated, Liverpool haven't and you can understand why Pep maybe feels LFC get more credit then they deserve. That said, City's achievement have an * next to them foe the reasons we all know.
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Big if obviously, but IF we were to win the cup treble this season whilst City win the league, then I'm not so sure it would hardly compare to City's achievements.
Would mean City have:
4 x League
4 x league cup
1 x FA cup
2 x Community shield
Whilst Liverpool have:
1 x league
2 x champions league
1 x league cup
1 x FA cup
1 x UEFA super cup
1 x Club world cup
Depends on how you see 1 league and 2 CL's stacking up against 4 league I guess.
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Just seen this. Totally agree.
It’s a phenomenal return given City’s clout.
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Liverpool havent won 2 Champions leagues in Peps/Klopps time.
Only in Liverpool are 6 trophies better than 11.
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We're you unable to read the bit that said "if"?
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Not a word Spurs fans are used to using in tune context of winning in fairness. It’s usually ‘definitely won’t’.
posted on 19/5/22
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 days, 2 hours ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 days, 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 hours, 39 minutes ago
I think Peps frustration comes from their failure midweek but also the extensive hype Liverpools quad has received......its been talked about and they've gained credit and kudos when all they actually have is the League cup. City are on the verge of 3 titles in 4 years. Despite these Liverpool glory days, so far all they have is 1 title and 1 CL and. league cup, hardly compares to City achievements. City have dominated, Liverpool haven't and you can understand why Pep maybe feels LFC get more credit then they deserve. That said, City's achievement have an * next to them foe the reasons we all know.
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Big if obviously, but IF we were to win the cup treble this season whilst City win the league, then I'm not so sure it would hardly compare to City's achievements.
Would mean City have:
4 x League
4 x league cup
1 x FA cup
2 x Community shield
Whilst Liverpool have:
1 x league
2 x champions league
1 x league cup
1 x FA cup
1 x UEFA super cup
1 x Club world cup
Depends on how you see 1 league and 2 CL's stacking up against 4 league I guess.
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Just seen this. Totally agree.
It’s a phenomenal return given City’s clout.
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Liverpool havent won 2 Champions leagues in Peps/Klopps time.
Only in Liverpool are 6 trophies better than 11.
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We're you unable to read the bit that said "if"?
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Not a word Spurs fans are used to using in tune context of winning in fairness. It’s usually ‘definitely won’t’.
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Even getting a point vs Norwich this weekend is an IF in the minds of sensible Spurs fans.