Dean Henderson to Forest

comment by The Process (U20671)

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If the plan is actually for Henderson to take over as number shouldn’t we be starting that process immediately?

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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago

I guess we can't sell him with his stupidly high wages right now but hopefully a successful loan with give us the option to use him to replace de Gea (which I doubt will happen as why don't we do it now?)
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De Gea has just finished one of his best seasons for us in the last few years. He's rediscovered a bit of his mojo and was one of the few players to perform at a level worthy of the shirt. He's also now one of the few senior players we have that has actually won trophies throughout his career given the departure of several such players already this summer. To now decide to replace him would be strange timing, and to do so with a keeper (highly regarded though he is) that hasn't really played for a year would be high risk.

If I were ETH, De Gea is someone I'd be looking at to retain this year for sure.

We now get the benefit of seeing how Henderson performs over the course of the season as Forest's #1, and at the very least we'd be putting him back in the shop window if the club and player do decide to part ways.

It seems entirely sensible to me for him to go on loan again, which isn't something we've been able to say about the club for a while.

Puts him in the shop window.

Why would we be trying to replace one of the best keepers in the world

I suspect with West Ham and Newcastle getting new keepers there was nobody to sell Henderson to this summer.

He's already highly rated so he would need to have an exceptional season to increase his value from this summer to next given he will have a year less on his deal.

Should have stayed in Sheffield for another season. We had more than enough back up keepers.

Berba

I agree that De Gea did well last season and is one of very few at the club with the experience we need but do you not also feel that his style of play hugely effects our ability to play and develop as a team, the same goes for Ronaldo imo.

You can also argue that EtH has always played a keeper who is comfortable on the ball, comes off his line which allows a higher defensive line. De Gea is literally the opposite of that statistically.

I’ve never felt Henderson is the solution to our keeper issue but the season he did play the team performed far better overall and his attributes contributed a lot towards that. It isn’t a coincidence that the seasons De Gea excels are often the ones we play poorly and are defensively a shambles.

Are people really worried that DDG cant be instructed / coached to sweep ??

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago

Berba

I agree that De Gea did well last season and is one of very few at the club with the experience we need but do you not also feel that his style of play hugely effects our ability to play and develop as a team
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I do, which is why I think it's a good idea to retain Henderson in some capacity rather than sell him or see him leave after a loan.

My argument isn't that De Gea is flawless. It's actually the opposite. There's a case to be made that we need an upgrade in that area for the reasons you mentioned. But given the other areas of the squad that need addressing, plus the lack of tried & tested experience in the team, it's seems unnecessarily disruptive to drop De Gea. I'm also not sure ETH would be ingratiating himself to the players by coming in and dropping a long-serving player, our best performer last season and a senior figure in the dressing room.

Henderson might not be the answer by the way, but it's worth sending him out on loan for another risk-free look at him and then make a decision next year. It might be that Henderson does really well, and De Gea plays ok but doesn't quite meet the requirements that ETH has for the position and then we bring Henderson back in rather than lose Henderson now permanently and then have to splash the cash for a De Gea replacement.

Yeah I agree. I guess I’m of the thinking that Ole was happy to drop de Gea for Henderson so if EtH does have concerns over de Gea then I see no real problem with playing Henderson (even though I don’t think he’s quite good enough for us).

While de Gea has experience I’ve never felt he’s the most commanding or vocal of players at the squad (I may be wrong).

Btw I don’t mind the loan so much as while I think he could do a more suitable job for us this season it does give us options in a years time. I don’t think there’s a clear answer about who should be starting for us but I definitely feel that we need to bring in a keeper within the next year.

I think Ole had the advantage of playing De Gea until it was apparent he needed to be dropped due to his form. He didn't come in and immediately drop him.

Nobody could really complain when Henderson was a given a run given how De Gea was playing. But ETH is in a difference scenario - coming straight in and inheriting a senior GK who, though flawed, is in good form.