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Our player-trading model

Bassey to Ajax for around £20mill. - a brilliant deal for us. This is exactly the model the board said they wanted to follow. Guy costs a few hundred thousand and we get £20m two years later. Clearly not every deal will go this way but this is how we must try to operate at our level, playing in Scotland

No point in having any regrets about losing a top player as this is how we have to trade. With £20mill we could, for example, buy two £5million players and bank the difference. (Personally I would have taken the £16mill. from Lille for Morelos a couple of years ago for same reason)

Players of this calibre will obviously be missed in the short-term but no-one is irreplaceable. Still looking at this transfer window, if Kent and Morelos don't sign contract extensions, then sadly, both must be sold immediately rather than see them leave for nothing next summer.

This has the potential to be a very successful model for us as long as we accept, for as long as we are based in Scotland, that our top players will generally leave after a couple of years

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
Cash is a pretty awful tool right now. Asset base in property and land is always the long term goal for security.

A balance of course is best, and hence Silver’s question.

Not going to read too much into the significant transfer dealings at Rangers but there does appear a lot of cashing in. And yes I know there more assets in players like Kent and Morelos among others.

Any more sales and you have to question the amount of rebuild that will be required.
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This is why I don't think Kamara will go this summer. I don't think we "need" the money (especially not at the figures quoted, and assuming Bassey goes), and losing more first team regulars could become more disruptive than can be worked around.

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
Cash is a pretty awful tool right now. Asset base in property and land is always the long term goal for security.

A balance of course is best, and hence Silver’s question.

Not going to read too much into the significant transfer dealings at Rangers but there does appear a lot of cashing in. And yes I know there more assets in players like Kent and Morelos among others.

Any more sales and you have to question the amount of rebuild that will be required.
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again its looks like we are mirroring what you guys did.

Firstly we had investors expecting what they agreed back which should have happened so thats a huge positive. Secondly and to look at what celtic did/do... build up enough reserves so that you have something to fall back on if a poor european campagin happens.

Were in that limbo area right now that celtic have been in plenty of times f having to qualify for champ league and your income and budgets not fully known yet.

Celtic are in a position that they dont NEED to sell a top player that season if they dont qualify for europe.

They normally still do but unless they have 2 season of no euro football they aint mega in the $hit.

We didnt have that and are getting towards that.

Both teams need to keep the momentum going.

Last year we did our reputation and bank balances the world of good, we need to make sure we capitalise on it and keep looking to progress.

Celtic have champ league guaranteed, and the fans also have a real feel good energy about them, BOTH do not too often we go into the season with both fans confident in their team, both teams looking stronger and looking to improve

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cash is a pretty awful tool right now.
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There's you slating cash now that Rangers have/should have/might have/will have loads.

Typical timlogic.

Thought I'd get it started 🤣🤣

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
Cash is a pretty awful tool right now. Asset base in property and land is always the long term goal for security.

A balance of course is best, and hence Silver’s question.

Not going to read too much into the significant transfer dealings at Rangers but there does appear a lot of cashing in. And yes I know there more assets in players like Kent and Morelos among others.

Any more sales and you have to question the amount of rebuild that will be required.
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again its looks like we are mirroring what you guys did.

Firstly we had investors expecting what they agreed back which should have happened so thats a huge positive. Secondly and to look at what celtic did/do... build up enough reserves so that you have something to fall back on if a poor european campagin happens.

Were in that limbo area right now that celtic have been in plenty of times f having to qualify for champ league and your income and budgets not fully known yet.

Celtic are in a position that they dont NEED to sell a top player that season if they dont qualify for europe.

They normally still do but unless they have 2 season of no euro football they aint mega in the $hit.

We didnt have that and are getting towards that.

Both teams need to keep the momentum going.

Last year we did our reputation and bank balances the world of good, we need to make sure we capitalise on it and keep looking to progress.

Celtic have champ league guaranteed, and the fans also have a real feel good energy about them, BOTH do not too often we go into the season with both fans confident in their team, both teams looking stronger and looking to improve
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Completely agree.

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 minutes ago
Cash is a pretty awful tool right now.
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There's you slating cash now that Rangers have/should have/might have/will have loads.

Typical timlogic.

Thought I'd get it started 🤣🤣
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Ah ffs don’t

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
Cash is a pretty awful tool right now. Asset base in property and land is always the long term goal for security.

A balance of course is best, and hence Silver’s question.

Not going to read too much into the significant transfer dealings at Rangers but there does appear a lot of cashing in. And yes I know there more assets in players like Kent and Morelos among others.

Any more sales and you have to question the amount of rebuild that will be required.
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again its looks like we are mirroring what you guys did.

Firstly we had investors expecting what they agreed back which should have happened so thats a huge positive. Secondly and to look at what celtic did/do... build up enough reserves so that you have something to fall back on if a poor european campagin happens.

Were in that limbo area right now that celtic have been in plenty of times f having to qualify for champ league and your income and budgets not fully known yet.

Celtic are in a position that they dont NEED to sell a top player that season if they dont qualify for europe.

They normally still do but unless they have 2 season of no euro football they aint mega in the $hit.

We didnt have that and are getting towards that.

Both teams need to keep the momentum going.

Last year we did our reputation and bank balances the world of good, we need to make sure we capitalise on it and keep looking to progress.

Celtic have champ league guaranteed, and the fans also have a real feel good energy about them, BOTH do not too often we go into the season with both fans confident in their team, both teams looking stronger and looking to improve
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Completely agree.
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The heat affects everyone differently - dunnit suddenly not talking pash!

Seriously, too much cash and the fans start slabbering about getting it spent. Both teams.

Further, and don't take this personally, it might make sense to cancel some loans depending on the %? And I wouldn't be surprised if some investors with influence wanted to 'cash in' their shareholding? Not sure the vehicle to do that or if it is currently possible under their current incorporation but they may have enough influence to do change that?

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
Cash is a pretty awful tool right now. Asset base in property and land is always the long term goal for security.

A balance of course is best, and hence Silver’s question.

Not going to read too much into the significant transfer dealings at Rangers but there does appear a lot of cashing in. And yes I know there more assets in players like Kent and Morelos among others.

Any more sales and you have to question the amount of rebuild that will be required.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
again its looks like we are mirroring what you guys did.

Firstly we had investors expecting what they agreed back which should have happened so thats a huge positive. Secondly and to look at what celtic did/do... build up enough reserves so that you have something to fall back on if a poor european campagin happens.

Were in that limbo area right now that celtic have been in plenty of times f having to qualify for champ league and your income and budgets not fully known yet.

Celtic are in a position that they dont NEED to sell a top player that season if they dont qualify for europe.

They normally still do but unless they have 2 season of no euro football they aint mega in the $hit.

We didnt have that and are getting towards that.

Both teams need to keep the momentum going.

Last year we did our reputation and bank balances the world of good, we need to make sure we capitalise on it and keep looking to progress.

Celtic have champ league guaranteed, and the fans also have a real feel good energy about them, BOTH do not too often we go into the season with both fans confident in their team, both teams looking stronger and looking to improve
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Completely agree.
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The heat affects everyone differently - dunnit suddenly not talking pash!

Seriously, too much cash and the fans start slabbering about getting it spent. Both teams.

Further, and don't take this personally, it might make sense to cancel some loans depending on the %? And I wouldn't be surprised if some investors with influence wanted to 'cash in' their shareholding? Not sure the vehicle to do that or if it is currently possible under their current incorporation but they may have enough influence to do change that?
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Oi if there is a proper discussion to be had im all for it ..... very rarely happens however and i get drawn down to their level !

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I would like to think that with the Euro run and the player sales (assuming Basseys deal will become official some point soon) we dont HAVE to sell any more players probably for the next two years.

The model I would guesstimate requires us to make a min £10m profit on player trading per season. We have obviously blown that out the water in 2022.

We obviously have some debt to settle but when you add in the extra Europa income we should still be pretty sweet for a couple of years.

So any further sales now will either be cutting our losses on Kent and Morelos if they arent going to sign new deals or if someone makes us an offer we cant refuse and we think it will be for the benefit of the team.

If we were to get offered £10-12 for Kamara I think the club would be tempted. He was not always a starter under Gio and you have to think if we gave Gio £5-6m to spend on a replacement in the Dutch league he could come up with a pretty solid replacement.

If we get offered good money for fringe players like Sakala - again might not be the worse thing we could do to raise another £3-4m that could be better invested. I like what Sakala brings in terms of unpredictability but like everyone else i get frustrated at his frequent lack of quality. He was seen as a rough diamond that could be polished but he really hasnt developed an awful lot in the last 12 months so maybe he is better off being someone elses profit.

I am concerned at too many new faces coming in and lack of time to get properly. You could see that even between the midfield and Colak there was no real understanding of what runs he was going to make etc.

We need to get Matondo and Tillman integrated quickly with Colak if they are expected to do a job for us in the qualifiers.

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

*profit = project

posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Confirmed that Gers have signed defender Ben Davies from Liverpool.

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