Champions League aside they’ve achieved far more than us within the last few years (blame it on money if you want but the silverware still exists).
The thing that I find incredible about city is how they’ve managed to retain focus and hunger within that squad. They win the league pretty much every year and yet have the same desire to go and win it again which I think is enormous testament to the culture they’ve built there.
This is what I personally find is seriously lacking at Liverpool this season. I don’t see the desire there from certain players that we have over the last few seasons. Same can’t be applied to players like Robbo who whether he’s playing well or poorly still has a desperate desire to win.
This is why I personally got frustrated we didn’t invest enough in new faces for the first team over the last couple of years. Especially after last we desperately needed more than just Nunez to inject that fresh hunger and enthusiasm into the team.
Owners need to do more, Klopp needs to do more and players need to sharpen up, get that desire back or fvck off. I don’t subscribe to the fact we owe players undying loyalty for what they’ve achieved. They were paid tens of millions of pounds for the privilege of playing football for a living. I can forgive a poor performance I cannot forgive lack of effort. No fan should.
Rant over!
City
posted on 3/4/23
Thiago made Liverpool worse imo. It doesn't have to be your opinion but it is mine.
Good player who does not fit the type of football and last year with the intensity around him you could make it work but I still felt he was the one you would sacrifice. That and there will be no value in him when he's moved on it didn't make sense.
Regardless of fees they were still bang average signings at best.
I do think it shows how fine the margins are for a team like Liverpool. They operate on a different level from the monied sides, they need to get nearly every transfer bang on.
Take the two big ones you agree they got wrong, that is close to 90m walking out the door this summer for nothing having offered nothing. Disastrous.
posted on 3/4/23
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
their duds though go entirely unnoticed as there's zero consequences, they just buy someone else better
The cooking of the books may come back to haunt them of course
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I keep reading about the above statement and it seems many fans have come to believe in a lie.
Unless you want to provide examples of failed signings that were dud but subsequently replaced with more expensive signings.
The two that comes to mind was:
1) Bravo - short term fix to replace Joe Hart who could not play out from the back. Cost just £14m and won a couple of cups with us.
2) Danilo - Bought for £26m but sold for £34m to Juve because he wanted to leave and replaced with Cancelo.
Other than these two, please name any player Pep has replaced because they were failed signings.
posted on 3/4/23
Other than these two, please name any player Pep has replaced because they were failed signings.
Mangala
Torres
Noilito
Shortly Kalvin Phillips
posted on 3/4/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 26 minutes ago
Other than these two, please name any player Pep has replaced because they were failed signings.
Mangala
Torres
Noilito
Shortly Kalvin Phillips
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Do we count Mendy?
posted on 3/4/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Thiago made Liverpool worse imo. It doesn't have to be your opinion but it is mine.
Good player who does not fit the type of football and last year with the intensity around him you could make it work but I still felt he was the one you would sacrifice. That and there will be no value in him when he's moved on it didn't make sense.
Regardless of fees they were still bang average signings at best.
I do think it shows how fine the margins are for a team like Liverpool. They operate on a different level from the monied sides, they need to get nearly every transfer bang on.
Take the two big ones you agree they got wrong, that is close to 90m walking out the door this summer for nothing having offered nothing. Disastrous.
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How do you explain two trophies and two games away from a quad, a cup final and one point in the league, which at one point Liverpool were winning with 15 minutes to go in the last game, if Thiago made Liverpool worse? Surely that's the definition of being better?
posted on 3/4/23
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 26 minutes ago
Other than these two, please name any player Pep has replaced because they were failed signings.
Mangala
Torres
Noilito
Shortly Kalvin Phillips
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Do we count Mendy?
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Danilo
Bravo
Angelino
posted on 3/4/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Other than these two, please name any player Pep has replaced because they were failed signings.
Mangala
Torres
Noilito
Shortly Kalvin Phillips
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Mangala was bought many years before Pep.
Torres was bought for £21m and sold for £30m profit.
Nolito was home sick. The club recovered the money spent on him. Also, he was a decent player for us.
posted on 3/4/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Boy F7-0m The South (U3979)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 26 minutes ago
Other than these two, please name any player Pep has replaced because they were failed signings.
Mangala
Torres
Noilito
Shortly Kalvin Phillips
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Do we count Mendy?
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Danilo
Bravo
Angelino
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Angelino was an academy product with a buy back clause of £5m who was then sold again to Leipzig for around £13m.
Given how this false narrative has been peddled among rival fans, I was expecting reels of expensive flops who were replaced with a new sets of shiny expensive players.
If anything, it just exposes the bad transfer business many clubs have been doing these many years.
Rather than address their failings, they ganged up against City using this false narrative among other things
posted on 4/4/23
It's not a difficult conundrum for me.
City haven't expended the same amount of energy that Liverpool have done over the last few years as they are incredibly good at keeping the ball.
Heavy metal football has a shelf life. You can't just keep playing with that intensity forever whereas City can keep playing their way.
That's been the biggest difference. For what it's worth I'd rather watch Liverpool's brand of football (prior to this season) but you'd rather have their trophy haul of course.
posted on 4/4/23
with respect and not trying to cause offense but anyone saying heavy metal football has not got one solitary bit of football knowledge
liverpool have not played heavy metal football for 5 years!
we ave not replied on run any further than the other team etc etc.
it's grossly under estimating the work a side like city does off the ball to go win the ball back cos they do exactly the same stuff.
it's lazy punditry and lazy fans harping back to something that is largely irrelevant.
liverpool are a shambles in shape and physicality. there's so many gaps for sides to play through and nobody wanting to get close cos they are all covering their own backsides.