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I don’t think that was a bad point last night at all, I would have taken that pre kick off.

I think a win over Forest on Sunday night more or less rubber stamps Euro qualification for next season, it will just be a matter of which comp. We’re 12 points clear of the sides that could stop us qualifying for Europe, so beat Forest to keep it at 12 in a worst case scenario and that’s 13 more points they need than us when you factor in GD from 7 games - we’d need a total collapse and they would need the sort of form they have not been able to show all season.

I for one am looking forward to being back in Europe, I missed it massively this year, the gap between games for us was boring and I believe meant we couldn’t build rhythm. Admittedly I don’t want to be in the Conference farmers league as it is completely tin pot, but the Europa wouldn’t be the end of the world from a fan perspective - couldn’t give a faaaack about the financials.

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comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).

I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.

Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.

Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.


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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Hi, just the points for winning the game, there are no bonus points for winning the tournament

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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
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comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).

I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.

Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.

Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.


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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.

I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
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I know some have expressed that you shouldn’t support the other sides and some have outright attacked you for it - which I don’t agree with at all. I can see both sides though - we would never hear the end of it if Arsenal won the CL or West Ham won another euro comp so quickly. On the other hand I do just want what is best for Spurs.

It’s tight, but Villa, Liverpool and City all winning will probably be enough if Arsenal and West Ham don’t lose both legs and Barca beat Dortmund

posted 2 weeks ago

Striketeam

In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.

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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
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comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
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The reason why the Arsenal Munich game is important is because it's ENG v GER. It's a direct chance to put a nail the coffin for the co-efficient. Relying on other clubs doing well is crazy when you have a direct line to a full on headshot here. I'd say the same for West Ham v Leverkusen but I think that one will be do one sided, it's gonna be impossible for WH to go through.
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The permutations are endless, for example if Leverkusen and Bayern get through but Dortmund go out then we could still have more teams than Germany left in the next round (3 to 2).

I think Liverpool and Villa are going to win their competitions which I assume brings extra points, so I don't think it hinges on the Arsenal and West Ham games although they are of course important.

Nobodies talking about Italy who lost all their CL teams in the last 16. Are there extra points for the caliber of competition or is it all level in the 3 tournaments now?
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It’s all level now - Europa and CL was always level. Conference league did not provide bonus points for qualifying through the tie until the quarters - Europa and CL did.

Italy’s chances are 97% - they still have 4 sides and at this stage, AC Milan playing Roma works in their favour they can guarantee full points from that. Atalanta are likely to lose to Liverpool but Fiorentina drew Viktoria Plzen in the Farmers league - they are nailed on to win that.


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Cheers you seem to know your onions on this subject so I'll ask another, are there bonus points for winning the competition or does a team just get the standard amount that a win gets them?
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Good question. Strike is defo the man for all this stuff. He's properly on it.

I just can't see where gains can be made that are better than those we get from supporting Arsenal and West Ham. It's going to be so much tighter than people expect.
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I know some have expressed that you shouldn’t support the other sides and some have outright attacked you for it - which I don’t agree with at all. I can see both sides though - we would never hear the end of it if Arsenal won the CL or West Ham won another euro comp so quickly. On the other hand I do just want what is best for Spurs.

It’s tight, but Villa, Liverpool and City all winning will probably be enough if Arsenal and West Ham don’t lose both legs and Barca beat Dortmund
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Yep, I try to ignore them now. It's just not worth debating with people that aren't willing to. Throwing insults is not debate.

posted 2 weeks ago

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Striketeam

In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
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They might, but they also have the German cup semi today and the league games could be tricky - they have Dortmund away straight after West Ham. Let’s wait and see, even if they don’t rotate then West Ham could be going up against a very tired Leverkusen side that only just scraped past Qarabag

posted 2 weeks ago

comment by Striketeam7 - There used to be a football club over there (U18109)
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 16 minutes ago
Striketeam

In response to you saying that Leverkusen will rest players for the league, I really don't think they will. I think they're 13 points clear now. If anything they'll rest players in the league to win the EL.
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They might, but they also have the German cup semi today and the league games could be tricky - they have Dortmund away straight after West Ham. Let’s wait and see, even if they don’t rotate then West Ham could be going up against a very tired Leverkusen side that only just scraped past Qarabag
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I just don't think West Ham will be prepared for that Spanish passing machine style. I think they'll run them ragged.

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posted 2 weeks ago

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.

What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.

I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.

I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.

I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.

Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.

Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.

However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.

I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.

I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.

posted 2 weeks ago

comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.

What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.

I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.

I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.

I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.

Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.

Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.

However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.

I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.

I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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Have Arsenal gone up a level? I’m not convinced.

Does anyone genuinely believe they are going to finish higher than 3rd this year or knock Bayern out of the CL? - I don’t think they stand a chance of either.

This is typical Arsenal side, lots of style but when the pressure is on they won’t make it. They are still carrying too much deadwood - Havertz, Trossard, Jesus, either keeper. These players are not good enough at the business end.

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posted 2 weeks ago

comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.

What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.

I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.

I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.

I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.

Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.

Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.

However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.

I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.

I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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I mean compare him to Arteta's first season, not now. Their 100m outlay on Rice is a consequence of their success over the last three years. Levy is less likely to do that, sure, but Ange can only really be judged in the same way Arteta was in his first year and he got rid of a lot of dead wood and replaced them with younger players to start with, which is exactly what Ange is doing.

You can absolutely raise concerns, I've defended that for ages after you, me and sizz got dogs abuse on the match thread for showing concern for the way we were playing. Whilst it's right to raise concerns, it's also worth laying out the context for those issues, which is what I'm doing. Arteta's form in that first year was so bad he nearly got the sack so whilst we can all have a moan about Ange, we have to have a little faith it will come good.

We're going to have to hope that if we have sustained participation in the CL, we'll see more ambition shown financially than we did under Poch, who had to navigate no home ground and the funding of a stadium under his tenure. Things might be a little different this time around. We're in a much better position than we were, especially with others having their wings clipped for overspending.

Ange most definitely will not be gone this time next year. No chance. Levy will have learnt his lesson this time. We can't keep flip-flopping. Unless he somehow loses the dressing room for whatever reason, he'll be in it for the long haul. If we do lose Ange it'll be because he's had a better offer.

comment by Mack (U6574)

posted 2 weeks ago

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 23 minutes ago
Don’t really care about the champions league. It makes no difference to me as a spurs fan. We won’t win it and it’s a facade that it will attract better players. It doesn’t. Certainly not at spurs where we won’t spend over 50 mill on a player anyway.

What I am concerned about is the fact that a lot of our players seem to be getting worse in anges system, not better.

I also have questions over Ange himself. I find his tactical stubbornness frustrating and inflexible and quite often his substitutions inexplicable. Why take Maddison off and leave Werner on? Werner was awful last night.

I’m trying to trust in the plan, but I’m not seeing a lot of progress right now. I think we need five or six new players to play this system, too many at the club aren’t getting it.
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What about if you're a player on this journey right now? What do you think they're thinking. It's easy for us to say. We're fans and we're not going anywhere but those players might just see a little faith slip in the process if we fail to qualify for the CL in a season where United and Chelsea have been hopeless. I think it's more important than just the riches the CL brings. It's about incremental success along the journey.

I don't share your dissatisfaction with Ange. He's in his first year and he's just lost the greatest striker we've ever had, who, with him, managed only an 8th finish last term. If you're losing faith, just remember the record Arteta had at the start with Arsenal. We're only at the start of the rebuild with a lot of good young talent coming through, just like Arsenal did with Saka and Smith-Rowe at the time. Give him time.
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The comparison with arsenal doesn’t stack up. They spent 100 mill on the player they needed to go up a level.

Spurs (or Ange) won’t do that.

Of course I’ll give Ange time. I like him and I really hope it all works. That doesn’t mean I can’t raise concerns.

However whilst fans may give him time, ultimately levy will not. Remember this is our first season for five years with one manager in charge of the club.

I just cannot ever see spurs going to that next level under the current owners. They just do not have the ambition.

I hope I’m wrong, I really do, but I think Ange will be gone this time next year.
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I mean compare him to Arteta's first season, not now. Their 100m outlay on Rice is a consequence of their success over the last three years. Levy is less likely to do that, sure, but Ange can only really be judged in the same way Arteta was in his first year and he got rid of a lot of dead wood and replaced them with younger players to start with, which is exactly what Ange is doing.

You can absolutely raise concerns, I've defended that for ages after you, me and sizz got dogs abuse on the match thread for showing concern for the way we were playing. Whilst it's right to raise concerns, it's also worth laying out the context for those issues, which is what I'm doing. Arteta's form in that first year was so bad he nearly got the sack so whilst we can all have a moan about Ange, we have to have a little faith it will come good.

We're going to have to hope that if we have sustained participation in the CL, we'll see more ambition shown financially than we did under Poch, who had to navigate no home ground and the funding of a stadium under his tenure. Things might be a little different this time around. We're in a much better position than we were, especially with others having their wings clipped for overspending.

Ange most definitely will not be gone this time next year. No chance. Levy will have learnt his lesson this time. We can't keep flip-flopping. Unless he somehow loses the dressing room for whatever reason, he'll be in it for the long haul. If we do lose Ange it'll be because he's had a better offer.
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I hope you’re right mate I really do. All the points you raised about levy learning his lessons were how I felt in the appointments of Jose and conte. He didn’t learn his lessons then and I hugely doubt he will this time.

Only time will tell. At least it’s not this time last year. That was about the lowest I’d felt as a spurs fan, and I lived through the 90’s.


This summer will tell you all you need to know about the clubs ambitions and whether or not Ange will be here this time next year.

On the pitch however, there is lots and lots of work to do.

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