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Improved bid for Branthwaite

Apologies for linking to a Daily Mail writer but Chris Wheeler is claiming that we have submitted an improved bid for Jarrad Branthwaite:

Chris Wheeler
@ChrisWheelerDM
Breaking: Man Utd submit improved offer of £45m plus £5m for Everton defender Jarrad Branthwaite #mufc
https://x.com/ChrisWheelerDM/status/1810413901516837308

If true (and I of course take anything the DM publishes with a nice big dollop of salt) I don't think this comes as much surprise. The Athletic had earlier reported that United's interest in De Ligt was independent of our interest in Branthwaite, which would strongly suggest we're in the market for two CB's this summer (Ratcliffe appeared to accidentally confirm this by revealing we wanted to sign Todibo but cannot due to UEFA rules).

I have to say that on paper, Branthwaite, De Ligt, Zirkzee and Ugarte (he's the only CM player we seem to being strongly linked with at the moment), looks like quite an exciting set of players that would greatly improve the spine of the team and depth in key areas to the squad.

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

Now that de Ligt seems like it’s in the bag we’re less desperate for Branthwaite (although it would be a great buy). Offer what we can and think is fair and if it’s not accepted, move on.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

I read about this on BBC website yesterday, so if various outlets are reporting, there is probably substance to it.

If nothing else, at least we seem to be going about it in the right way. Every transfer is different of course, but generally we go in with a relatively low offer, up it a bit, and I think we might up it once more if need be, before either settling on that or we walk away. Of course what we seem to have been doing wit a lot of transfers 'pre-Jim' is starting with a very high offer, or minimal negotiation.

The fee should really be between £40-60 million, and whilst 60 would seem too much from our side, I could envisage us paying 75+ a few years ago. You always want to pay as little as possible, paying a little bit over isn't a killer, but let's not be held to ransom.

It also seems we have other possible options, so just overall, there already seems to be a more coherent approach.

As for the player himself, we really don't know until when/if he gets here etc, but that's the case with most transfers, but it feels like a solid signing to me

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

I agree with all of the posts above that we should be looking to walk away quite soon. Maybe we'd have already walked by now if Todibo was available to us this summer.

I do like that we seem to be going after multiple players simultaneously as well.

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 58 seconds ago
I read about this on BBC website yesterday, so if various outlets are reporting, there is probably substance to it.

If nothing else, at least we seem to be going about it in the right way. Every transfer is different of course, but generally we go in with a relatively low offer, up it a bit, and I think we might up it once more if need be, before either settling on that or we walk away. Of course what we seem to have been doing wit a lot of transfers 'pre-Jim' is starting with a very high offer, or minimal negotiation.

The fee should really be between £40-60 million, and whilst 60 would seem too much from our side, I could envisage us paying 75+ a few years ago. You always want to pay as little as possible, paying a little bit over isn't a killer, but let's not be held to ransom.

It also seems we have other possible options, so just overall, there already seems to be a more coherent approach.

As for the player himself, we really don't know until when/if he gets here etc, but that's the case with most transfers, but it feels like a solid signing to me
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I think it may take a bit of time for selling clubs to get used to the new way Utd will operate. In the past Utd have paid up so clubs have been happy to wait and over price, almost knowing you'll pay. It may take a bit of time for Utds new MO in the transfer window to settle in with selling clubs.

That may mean you lose the odd deal if you show you are prepared to walk away.

But what i see you perhaps trying to do now is what Spurs have done for years - start low, knowing full well the deal will not be done at that level but turn the head of the player. If they become unsettled by the thought of a move then the selling club than have to factor in "do we want to keep this want-away player". This may soften their position on value a bit.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 58 seconds ago
I read about this on BBC website yesterday, so if various outlets are reporting, there is probably substance to it.

If nothing else, at least we seem to be going about it in the right way. Every transfer is different of course, but generally we go in with a relatively low offer, up it a bit, and I think we might up it once more if need be, before either settling on that or we walk away. Of course what we seem to have been doing wit a lot of transfers 'pre-Jim' is starting with a very high offer, or minimal negotiation.

The fee should really be between £40-60 million, and whilst 60 would seem too much from our side, I could envisage us paying 75+ a few years ago. You always want to pay as little as possible, paying a little bit over isn't a killer, but let's not be held to ransom.

It also seems we have other possible options, so just overall, there already seems to be a more coherent approach.

As for the player himself, we really don't know until when/if he gets here etc, but that's the case with most transfers, but it feels like a solid signing to me
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it may take a bit of time for selling clubs to get used to the new way Utd will operate. In the past Utd have paid up so clubs have been happy to wait and over price, almost knowing you'll pay. It may take a bit of time for Utds new MO in the transfer window to settle in with selling clubs.

That may mean you lose the odd deal if you show you are prepared to walk away.

But what i see you perhaps trying to do now is what Spurs have done for years - start low, knowing full well the deal will not be done at that level but turn the head of the player. If they become unsettled by the thought of a move then the selling club than have to factor in "do we want to keep this want-away player". This may soften their position on value a bit.
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People will always have a 'view' regarding Levy, but generally he does seem to do good deals both in buying and particularly selling. What I would say is that Spurs don't really go for the superstar player - either a younger player who may improve over time, or sometimes an established player, of a high level but maybe not the very best (eg. Maddison?), but still get a good deal.

I feel Utd may move in this direction, especially with up and coming talent. The one difference is that we may still go for the superstar player (whether he would come to us is another matter)

The big question for Spurs is to try and regularly make top 4, and hopefully some day challenge for the title - I'm not sure the approach under Levy allows them to do that, or they would need a lot of things to go right to achieve that.

I think with Utd, they will try to mix the Spurs approach with still trying to go for a big signing if possible, but initially it will be more of a Spurs - type approach.

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 58 seconds ago
I read about this on BBC website yesterday, so if various outlets are reporting, there is probably substance to it.

If nothing else, at least we seem to be going about it in the right way. Every transfer is different of course, but generally we go in with a relatively low offer, up it a bit, and I think we might up it once more if need be, before either settling on that or we walk away. Of course what we seem to have been doing wit a lot of transfers 'pre-Jim' is starting with a very high offer, or minimal negotiation.

The fee should really be between £40-60 million, and whilst 60 would seem too much from our side, I could envisage us paying 75+ a few years ago. You always want to pay as little as possible, paying a little bit over isn't a killer, but let's not be held to ransom.

It also seems we have other possible options, so just overall, there already seems to be a more coherent approach.

As for the player himself, we really don't know until when/if he gets here etc, but that's the case with most transfers, but it feels like a solid signing to me
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it may take a bit of time for selling clubs to get used to the new way Utd will operate. In the past Utd have paid up so clubs have been happy to wait and over price, almost knowing you'll pay. It may take a bit of time for Utds new MO in the transfer window to settle in with selling clubs.

That may mean you lose the odd deal if you show you are prepared to walk away.

But what i see you perhaps trying to do now is what Spurs have done for years - start low, knowing full well the deal will not be done at that level but turn the head of the player. If they become unsettled by the thought of a move then the selling club than have to factor in "do we want to keep this want-away player". This may soften their position on value a bit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People will always have a 'view' regarding Levy, but generally he does seem to do good deals both in buying and particularly selling. What I would say is that Spurs don't really go for the superstar player - either a younger player who may improve over time, or sometimes an established player, of a high level but maybe not the very best (eg. Maddison?), but still get a good deal.

I feel Utd may move in this direction, especially with up and coming talent. The one difference is that we may still go for the superstar player (whether he would come to us is another matter)

The big question for Spurs is to try and regularly make top 4, and hopefully some day challenge for the title - I'm not sure the approach under Levy allows them to do that, or they would need a lot of things to go right to achieve that.

I think with Utd, they will try to mix the Spurs approach with still trying to go for a big signing if possible, but initially it will be more of a Spurs - type approach.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think that a club needs a certain status to be able to sign that Superstar name. Spurs are a big, well known club but comfortably a level or more below those clubs who do attract the massive names. It has ever been thus and i dont think its truly possible to elevate ourselves to mega status in this day and age. The only clubs who have achieved this really have been the likes of City, Chelsea and PSG and we know how that happened.

Spurs have to embrace what they are and maximise everything within that context, so if it comes to picking up the new break out mega star, it aint going to be us but it may be Man Utd.

We may well be able to win the race for someone like Eze but if say Palmer was looking to get away from Chelsea, we wouldnt be in the picture

In this financial environment, with FFP/PSR etc, Levy may be the perfect chairman and that's because the simple facts are that Spurs will never be able to win the race for a superstar, we have to be more opportunistic and savvy and in the past we have missed chances like Grealish and Hazard because we have not been prepared to push the boat out a bit and truly believe in our scouting.

What is important is that in the way we operate we then have to give players reason to stay. So players like Romero, VDV, Udogie, Vicario and others may well be coveted by bigger clubs and these players may well use us as a stepping stone, but we have to make them want to stay because we are successful.. Investing decent sums in good talent which can get better and better is just the first stage and its the next stage we have never truly mastered other than may be for 1 or 2 years under Poch. I don't think that requires super stars, its just requires top coaching and management of the football side, and understanding where we want to be, plotting a route towards this, what that requires in the here and now, and not just investing in a future that may never materialise.

I think we are beginning to see that from Spurs now. We have made purchases of very young talented players this summer (Gray & Bergvall), but i fully expect us to add some first team quality to the squad too

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

Generally agree with your thoughts Devonshirespur - I just wonder if your fellow fans are as realistic as you are.

There will of course always be a desire to be able to compete at the very top, but without a massive investor throwing wads of cash at it, that can prove to be difficult. A season like Bayer Lever is not out of the question, but I think it would be hard to maintain that over a number of years. Being able to bring in a superstar doesn't guarantee anything, but maybe just makes it a little bit easier,

I am a fan of Ang as a manager, in nothing else, I think you will have fun times under him

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
I read about this on BBC website yesterday, so if various outlets are reporting, there is probably substance to it.

If nothing else, at least we seem to be going about it in the right way. Every transfer is different of course, but generally we go in with a relatively low offer, up it a bit, and I think we might up it once more if need be, before either settling on that or we walk away. Of course what we seem to have been doing wit a lot of transfers 'pre-Jim' is starting with a very high offer, or minimal negotiation.

The fee should really be between £40-60 million, and whilst 60 would seem too much from our side, I could envisage us paying 75+ a few years ago. You always want to pay as little as possible, paying a little bit over isn't a killer, but let's not be held to ransom.

It also seems we have other possible options, so just overall, there already seems to be a more coherent approach.

As for the player himself, we really don't know until when/if he gets here etc, but that's the case with most transfers, but it feels like a solid signing to me
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Or under the previous ownership we didn't hear about deals until they were done.

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 58 seconds ago
I read about this on BBC website yesterday, so if various outlets are reporting, there is probably substance to it.

If nothing else, at least we seem to be going about it in the right way. Every transfer is different of course, but generally we go in with a relatively low offer, up it a bit, and I think we might up it once more if need be, before either settling on that or we walk away. Of course what we seem to have been doing wit a lot of transfers 'pre-Jim' is starting with a very high offer, or minimal negotiation.

The fee should really be between £40-60 million, and whilst 60 would seem too much from our side, I could envisage us paying 75+ a few years ago. You always want to pay as little as possible, paying a little bit over isn't a killer, but let's not be held to ransom.

It also seems we have other possible options, so just overall, there already seems to be a more coherent approach.

As for the player himself, we really don't know until when/if he gets here etc, but that's the case with most transfers, but it feels like a solid signing to me
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it may take a bit of time for selling clubs to get used to the new way Utd will operate. In the past Utd have paid up so clubs have been happy to wait and over price, almost knowing you'll pay. It may take a bit of time for Utds new MO in the transfer window to settle in with selling clubs.

That may mean you lose the odd deal if you show you are prepared to walk away.

But what i see you perhaps trying to do now is what Spurs have done for years - start low, knowing full well the deal will not be done at that level but turn the head of the player. If they become unsettled by the thought of a move then the selling club than have to factor in "do we want to keep this want-away player". This may soften their position on value a bit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Players don't need a bid to have their heads turned. Its rare a club will bid for a player without some sort of indication beforehand, that such a move would appeal.

posted 1 week, 6 days ago

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 3 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 58 seconds ago
I read about this on BBC website yesterday, so if various outlets are reporting, there is probably substance to it.

If nothing else, at least we seem to be going about it in the right way. Every transfer is different of course, but generally we go in with a relatively low offer, up it a bit, and I think we might up it once more if need be, before either settling on that or we walk away. Of course what we seem to have been doing wit a lot of transfers 'pre-Jim' is starting with a very high offer, or minimal negotiation.

The fee should really be between £40-60 million, and whilst 60 would seem too much from our side, I could envisage us paying 75+ a few years ago. You always want to pay as little as possible, paying a little bit over isn't a killer, but let's not be held to ransom.

It also seems we have other possible options, so just overall, there already seems to be a more coherent approach.

As for the player himself, we really don't know until when/if he gets here etc, but that's the case with most transfers, but it feels like a solid signing to me
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it may take a bit of time for selling clubs to get used to the new way Utd will operate. In the past Utd have paid up so clubs have been happy to wait and over price, almost knowing you'll pay. It may take a bit of time for Utds new MO in the transfer window to settle in with selling clubs.

That may mean you lose the odd deal if you show you are prepared to walk away.

But what i see you perhaps trying to do now is what Spurs have done for years - start low, knowing full well the deal will not be done at that level but turn the head of the player. If they become unsettled by the thought of a move then the selling club than have to factor in "do we want to keep this want-away player". This may soften their position on value a bit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Players don't need a bid to have their heads turned. Its rare a club will bid for a player without some sort of indication beforehand, that such a move would appeal.
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True but its part of the process to make a move happen. Branthwaite, for example, isnt likely to ask to leave unless there's a formal offer on the table. That then at least gets the discussion going, which may lead to a "if we get offered £Xm then we will let you leave" conversation.

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