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Would your opinion on Southgate change

if England win or lose?

I still think they have had the luck of the draw but the man has earned credit to achieve what he has.

Nevertheless, he is still not good enough and even if we win the tournament and he resigns, he'd struggle to be successful in other roles if his coaching doesn't improve.

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Leedsforever (U15976)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
It requires an element of luck to win, but luck derives from a baseline of strong management. Southgate give England a platform to have luck. Whereas previous managers have created platforms for bad luck
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Also I have to agree with this. I don't think it's 'luck' getting to the final. I think it's ok to say you don't like it but it works

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

I think he should leave either way.

We've been rubbish apart from 45 mins. If we win now it feels like we've done it despite him and if we don't it'll feel like another tournament of players taking us close.

Don't get me wrong, in terms of what he's done to get us to the 2021 final I don't think anyone else could have done that. But since then, I don't think he's been the man to move us forward.

I hope we can put in a performance to show otherwise on Sunday

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 32 minutes ago
I think he should leave either way.

We've been rubbish apart from 45 mins. If we win now it feels like we've done it despite him and if we don't it'll feel like another tournament of players taking us close.

Don't get me wrong, in terms of what he's done to get us to the 2021 final I don't think anyone else could have done that. But since then, I don't think he's been the man to move us forward.

I hope we can put in a performance to show otherwise on Sunday
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Nobody else could have got us to a final of the last Euros with a decent draw, good players and home advantage? You're giving Southgate way too much credit. There are managers that could not only have got to that final but win it as well.

Look at the teams Sven lost to in the KO rounds - Brazil, and Portugal twice. Let's be honest they are probably better than any team Southgate has faced in his KO rounds, other than the ones he actually lost to.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by T-BAD (U11806)
posted 32 minutes ago
I think he should leave either way.

We've been rubbish apart from 45 mins. If we win now it feels like we've done it despite him and if we don't it'll feel like another tournament of players taking us close.

Don't get me wrong, in terms of what he's done to get us to the 2021 final I don't think anyone else could have done that. But since then, I don't think he's been the man to move us forward.

I hope we can put in a performance to show otherwise on Sunday
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Nobody else could have got us to a final of the last Euros with a decent draw, good players and home advantage? You're giving Southgate way too much credit. There are managers that could not only have got to that final but win it as well.

Look at the teams Sven lost to in the KO rounds - Brazil, and Portugal twice. Let's be honest they are probably better than any team Southgate has faced in his KO rounds, other than the ones he actually lost to.
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I meant in terms of rebuilding the fractured nature of the in house rivalries - he genuinely did a great job in eliminating that and stuff IMO and I that a couple of years ago he did a good job, I just think he's taken us as far as he can and we should move on after this tournie no matter what happens.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

I meant in terms of rebuilding the fractured nature of the in house rivalries - he genuinely did a great job in eliminating that stuff IMO and I that a couple of years ago he did a good job, I just think he's taken us as far as he can and we should move on after this tournie no matter what happens.*

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

Honestly, you guys should build him a facking statue and let him fack your missus.

He has gotten England to twice as many major finals as every single other England manager EVER combined. Let that sink in.

Yeah you are crap and an absolute misery to watch but his record is outrageous for such a middling national team.

comment by T-BAD (U11806)

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

Would we be a middling national team if another manager took over though?

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 2 hours, 45 minutes ago
Honestly, you guys should build him a facking statue and let him fack your missus.

He has gotten England to twice as many major finals as every single other England manager EVER combined. Let that sink in.

Yeah you are crap and an absolute misery to watch but his record is outrageous for such a middling national team.
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Despite not because. He’s managed us during a period where other teams have low quality, what he’s ’achieved’ has been done with favourable conditions.

He’s getting loads of praise for the Watkins sub, but all it did was prove what we are capable of if we have a mobile striker up top, rather than a super tanker.

He’s a fraud no matter what happens.

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

If we play well and actually attack but lose then he can hold his head high. My frustrations with him all come from being way too defensive and not being proactive at times.

A 94th minute bicycle kick being the first shot on target for example, that's all on individual skill and absolutely nothing to do with his tactics getting the better of the opposition.

posted 1 week, 4 days ago

I see quite a few parallels with Ten Hag, the difference being that there's no league to judge on.

Ten Hag would've been sacked and universally condemned by utd fans if utd didn't win the FA Cup. Now the utd fanbase are a bit more divided about him.

As others have said, if you play badly but still get through, that means nothing unless you win the trophy.

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