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What constitutes “progress”?

Why do a lot of fans seems to see progress only as the league position?
For me progress is getting closer to being successful. And correct me if I’m wrong but winning a cup, is success? You’ve won that competition right?
It’s true that the cup win isn’t long term success, it’s short term. But it’s progress if you haven’t won anything for 17 years.
I’d take some short term success thanks, Leicester won the title and an FA cup, they didn’t get sustained success or progress, but I bet they wouldn’t swap their last 10 years for ours
I guess my point is, you can hanker after lasting long term success all you like but only clubs who invest will get that. We aren’t under Enic ever going to do that.
People say “yeah but united sacked ETH and he won 2 cups" yes and united were used to winning the lot and regularly, a Carabao isn’t progress for them. But for THFC, only 1 cup in 26 years and none in 17, absolutely a cup win is progress, and yet we continually chase league position, with no hope of winning the league or even top 4 these days, to scupper our chances of winning a trophy.
I don’t get it at all but I fully expect a weakened side tonight and another Carabao exit to concentrate on 6th place - is that progress??

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing what vuo we can win. We never win cups even when favourites.

We keep our chances of winning ANY trophy as high as possible for as long as possible. That starts with going full strength tonight IMO.

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by #1 House - (U17162)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm so baffled why spurs don't seem to win trophies. Spurs is obviously a big club and has history. I'm a United supporter and if if we're not going to win whatever tournament then I'd love to see Spurs win it instead. That CL final a few years ago I would have been so happy to see Spurs lift it. Even an FA Cup win I think would be a huge platform for Spurs to build further success from
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I do sometimes wonder what would have happened had we won that CL. We were 90 minutes from it which seems crazy right now, but maybe just maybe it would have been a springboard, but deep down I kind of know ENIC would probably have just rested on their laurels and not kicked on.
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Im not gonna lie and pretend to know the internal stuff with ENIC etc.
As a kind of outsider looking in Spurs look like they have a better team than us United, and ontop of that it's also far more simple for Tottenham than say for us. Win a trophy, just win a trophy and build upon it.

If Spurs win or don't win a trophy this season I'm sure you'll hovering around top 4 either way.

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 13 minutes ago
We don't have the luxury of picking and choosing what vuo we can win. We never win cups even when favourites.

We keep our chances of winning ANY trophy as high as possible for as long as possible. That starts with going full strength tonight IMO.
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100 per cent correct. Absolutely no way can Spurs prioritise what trophy to go for when they haven't won anything for so long. City may be able to. But Spurs need to take every cup competition ultra serious. Let's hope Ange gets that.

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

I think Ange will hide behind a weakened team tonight

I hope I’m very wrong

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

I think every supporter would take a cup win over league position at the moment, other than being 1st, but I don't see why progress can't involve doing well on a number of fronts. That is what progress should look like, not just finishing 10th but winning a League Cup.

Obviously it depends how low in the league you'd finish. Let's be honest though, nobody really remembers Ramos as being a good Spurs manager despite the league win. We're looking for a manager to take us to the next level, and that should hopefully mean doing better in cup competitions AND in the league. Another Ramos is not really what we're looking for, even if we'd all love a cup win.

posted 1 week, 1 day ago

Leicester progressed spectacularly, it was way beyond the spectrum of what was sustainable under the clubs means though.

United with their 2 cups under ETH were still overall underperforming massively based on their means.

posted 1 week ago

You don't count the league position .....until it gets to be concerning.
This manager has got to put a successions of wins together.
And on the question of what to concentrate on winning, I would choose the Europa Cup.
But we need to be top four or five in the league. Its the toughest competition in the world.
And the current squad is good enough to do it, ....if well managed with sensible strategies.

Tottenham has always (last 30 years) been a work in progress....and that won't change anytime soon.
The "work in progress" has got to win, NOW!

posted 1 week ago

Last night constituted progress, moved into the QF of a cup competition. Long may it continue.

posted 1 week ago

Good win. You really seem to have city's number no matter who your manager is.
Much more entertaining for the neutral with this manager though.
Don't think it's will be any tougher against utd and then who knows, a cup win?
I hope so, this trophy drought thing is boring.
Unfortunately Liverpool seem to love winning this comp.

posted 6 days, 22 hours ago

Miky VDV injured again, hammers again
Dragusin had better show up!

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