Confidence.

I was no fan of Ole as a manager for the long term but he succeeded in spite of his flaws because he won the players over and got them to run through brick walls for him. Something Ten Hag and so far Amorim have failed to do.

If we could find manager who had Ole’s people skills and could actually demonstrate great tactical acumen with a great playing style we’d do very well imo

comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 13 minutes ago
We have two types of players. Those few who will listen to what the manager says (constructive or critical) and have the desire to want to improve even if it feels like pi$$ing in the wind. And those who couldn't care less about what's said on the training ground or after the game, win lose or draw, probably go home and play Elden Ring on the xbox with zero fcks given. I doubt very much Ruben calling them the worst team had much negative impact on either tbh.
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Yep. And tbf to Amorim, he is trying to clear out the elements from the dressing room he believes are setting a poor example, as did ETH before him tbf. And that's necessary, as otherwise you get players coming into a cesspit where motivation levels are nonexistent, short cuts and excuses are the order of the day, and the cycle perpetuates. It's why I say every summer that a huge turnover is needed, as otherwise the poison just spreads to new recruits and the low standards continue. The complete opposite of what we had when we were winning things regularly

The good thing for us 'keep Amorim and ride out the storm's types is that we can't really afford to sack him anyway.

The real reason this season nosedived can be blamed on a few decisions before Ruben even signed his contract with us.

I can't remember the last time a manager came into an elite club in a situation as bad as this in a long long time. That's not to say we give him an unlimited amount of lifelines either but I genuinely hold INEOS 95% responsible for this season in particular being a calamity.

The domino effect of bottling the ETH decision has been absolutely disastrous. Shows why strong leadership is still sadly lacking at the club. Happy to sack people on 30k a year but rewarded somebody who wasted 600m and had us in 8th after losing 19 games in all comps.

Ruben should have been summer 2024 or summer 2025 or never at all really. The fact they threw him into a no win situation for 7 months is their fault not his.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
The good thing for us 'keep Amorim and ride out the storm's types is that we can't really afford to sack him anyway.

The real reason this season nosedived can be blamed on a few decisions before Ruben even signed his contract with us.

I can't remember the last time a manager came into an elite club in a situation as bad as this in a long long time. That's not to say we give him an unlimited amount of lifelines either but I genuinely hold INEOS 95% responsible for this season in particular being a calamity.

The domino effect of bottling the ETH decision has been absolutely disastrous. Shows why strong leadership is still sadly lacking at the club. Happy to sack people on 30k a year but rewarded somebody who wasted 600m and had us in 8th after losing 19 games in all comps.

Ruben should have been summer 2024 or summer 2025 or never at all really. The fact they threw him into a no win situation for 7 months is their fault not his.
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I said at the time that giving ETH a one year extension was just an awful decision. It was dithering and didn't actually show any faith in him. They wanted to show that they were being considered in their decision but it just came across as weak and clueless. Didn't back the manager and set him up for certain failure, all to be seen to not be hasty

comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 13 minutes ago
We have two types of players. Those few who will listen to what the manager says (constructive or critical) and have the desire to want to improve even if it feels like pi$$ing in the wind. And those who couldn't care less about what's said on the training ground or after the game, win lose or draw, probably go home and play Elden Ring on the xbox with zero fcks given. I doubt very much Ruben calling them the worst team had much negative impact on either tbh.
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Yep. And tbf to Amorim, he is trying to clear out the elements from the dressing room he believes are setting a poor example, as did ETH before him tbf. And that's necessary, as otherwise you get players coming into a cesspit where motivation levels are nonexistent, short cuts and excuses are the order of the day, and the cycle perpetuates. It's why I say every summer that a huge turnover is needed, as otherwise the poison just spreads to new recruits and the low standards continue. The complete opposite of what we had when we were winning things regularly
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I think in the dressing room Ten Hag was very much my way or the highway. Where he let himself down in terms of messaging was in front of the cameras when he keep putting a positive spin on everything. I'd often listen to his post match interviews wondering what fckin game he'd just watched. At least with Amorim it feels like what he says in front of the camera is consistent with his strict stance on the training ground.

What you said about the poison spreading goes to the heart of our club and it's been embedded over the past 7/8 years. The new players coming in don't change the culture, they just get sucked in to the malais. We had two opportunities to change it. Once after Mourhino and then after Ole. We missed both. We can't afford (quite literally) to miss it now. We need to go through this with Amorim for the greater good otherwise it's just rinse and repeat.

comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
The good thing for us 'keep Amorim and ride out the storm's types is that we can't really afford to sack him anyway.

The real reason this season nosedived can be blamed on a few decisions before Ruben even signed his contract with us.

I can't remember the last time a manager came into an elite club in a situation as bad as this in a long long time. That's not to say we give him an unlimited amount of lifelines either but I genuinely hold INEOS 95% responsible for this season in particular being a calamity.

The domino effect of bottling the ETH decision has been absolutely disastrous. Shows why strong leadership is still sadly lacking at the club. Happy to sack people on 30k a year but rewarded somebody who wasted 600m and had us in 8th after losing 19 games in all comps.

Ruben should have been summer 2024 or summer 2025 or never at all really. The fact they threw him into a no win situation for 7 months is their fault not his.
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I said at the time that giving ETH a one year extension was just an awful decision. It was dithering and didn't actually show any faith in him. They wanted to show that they were being considered in their decision but it just came across as weak and clueless. Didn't back the manager and set him up for certain failure, all to be seen to not be hasty
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We gave Ole a contract extension straight after he flopped the Europa final. 5 months before we sacked him. We are very experienced at this

Varane confirmed ETH had lost the players so keeping him on and then spending loads of money was one of the dumbest decisions in the clubs history.

Did anyone see about Ineos calling the family member of that lady who’d worked at United for decades a couple of days after her death to enquire about the season ticket status?

If ineos are the answer I don’t wanna know what the question is 😅

comment by Robb #456 (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Varane confirmed ETH had lost the players so keeping him on and then spending loads of money was one of the dumbest decisions in the clubs history.

Did anyone see about Ineos calling the family member of that lady who’d worked at United for decades a couple of days after her death to enquire about the season ticket status?

If ineos are the answer I don’t wanna know what the question is 😅
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Oh I definitely didn't want ETH to stay. And between that debacle and the Ashworth embarrassment, it's hard not to be skeptical about them. Their record at other sports teams doesn't fill me with hope either

He's been here 15 weeks. With a demoralised, unbalanced team.
Unless he's been pilfering the petty cash he should stay.
As far as I'm concerned it should be a year minimum.

If we stay up, which we probably will, just because ther are 3 teams worse that us.... (we will probs finish 16 or 17th), INEOS have to financially back him in the summer window as best they are able to and then give him to Christmas initially to show month on month improvement... back him again in the Jan window and same again until summer 2026. Its a massive gamble for MUFC which is INEOs and Glazers, but they made this crappy bed.