Is that we have played like this for months now but we haven't really seen any attempt to do things differently. I think it's fair enough to have a blip year after what they have achieved, key players wrong side of 30 etc. The manner of it has been disappointing though, we were no better, or worse, than we were when we lost at Anfield earlier in the season. I thought we were going to see some innovative stuff to try and turn things around - Gvardiol in midfield, Grealish in the centre, McAtee given a proper go. Instead we have just done the same thing week in week out, expecting things to go differently. Even finally Bernardo being benched, only for Kev to get the start, both players we are being bypassed in CM too easily now unfortunately.
It's a shame, I don't think this is the best Liverpool side we've seen over recent years by any means, Slot has come in at the right time and Salah is having an unbelievable season. But that said we were lucky yesterday. I think that Liverpool team with Mane and a younger Andy Robertson would have put 5 or 6 past us yesterday. Liverpool fans Iof course I'm sure will say it was more important for them to get the three points breaking as little sweat as possible, which they did.
I suppose there is too much at stake for Pep to take any major risks. The club will see top four as a minimum. But I think it's just a shame we haven't seen anything out of the norm since our form tanked, it's been a bit of a free hit for that this season.
The frustrating thing
posted on 25/2/25
Net spend doesn't count anymore on ja606 or so I'm constantly being told since City started making a surplus on player sales.
posted on 25/2/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Net spend doesn't count anymore on ja606 or so I'm constantly being told since City started making a surplus on player sales.
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yeah get with it, its all about amortisation and profit on player trading
posted on 25/2/25
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 25 minutes ago
Klopp spent nearly nearly £1bn but of course he’s not a chequebook manager 👍
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Pahahaha.
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Liverpool have been very canny with their spending but lets not pretend that Klopp didnt spend £1bn including some world record breaking fees along the way
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Well yes but he sold the whole team apart from Henderson and Gomez to do it. He ended up at about £350m net which was less than all other top six clubs with the second most trophies. So he basically built a squad for £350m, whilst the likes of City, Chelsea and United built theirs with a billion.
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Net soend is irrelevant to whether a manager is a checque book manager or not. How much is spent determines this, not how much is made through sales.
All net spend really shows is the spending power of a club, and whether they need to sell to afford thier spending
posted on 25/2/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Net spend doesn't count anymore on ja606 or so I'm constantly being told since City started making a surplus on player sales.
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If you look at City’s squad situation that we already agreed upon then you can clearly see that it does matter. City’s net spend dropped as you sold players and didn’t replace them and the squad weakened.
City wanted to compete as soon as possible and didn’t have much of a base of a squad to build on so had to go out and spend massive amounts initially to do that. Once that’s done then you can sell and buy and if you get the right players you improve the squad with minimal net spend. Klopp basically built two squads, the first when he replaced the whole team bar Henderson and Gomez and then a second which were now seeing where Allison, youth product TAA, VVD, Robertson and Salah remained. The second was much easier than the first as there was already a base to work with. If you do it right, which he did, your spend is minimal but the quality remains. I’d say we have a much better squad second time around but slightly weaker first eleven considering the replacement for Firmino hasn’t been anywhere near Firmino level and the Mane replacement has been great but not world class as Mane was. Other than that we’ve improved VVDs centre back partner, improved the midfield and the backups are better, so it kind of levels off. The squad could be massive if we get the right striker in, as well as another couple and yet the net spend will still be quite low.
Some clubs throw money at players all over the shop and it never works, it didn’t work for City in the beginning, it hasn’t yet worked for Chelsea and it’s certainly not worked for United. Liverpool are certainly not in that bracket and Klopp couldn’t be further from a chequebook manager.
posted on 25/2/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 25 minutes ago
Klopp spent nearly nearly £1bn but of course he’s not a chequebook manager 👍
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Pahahaha.
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Liverpool have been very canny with their spending but lets not pretend that Klopp didnt spend £1bn including some world record breaking fees along the way
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If Klopp spent 1b how much did Spurs spend? Because even Spurs outspent during Klopp's tenure.
1b is just some random figure somebody on this thread threw out. Pull out the stats, read them and weep.
posted on 25/2/25
City wanted to compete as soon as possible and didn’t have much of a base of a squad to build on so had to go out and spend massive amounts initially to do that.
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Fair enough but that was over a decade ago.
All the players bought in that era have since retired.
posted on 25/2/25
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
City wanted to compete as soon as possible and didn’t have much of a base of a squad to build on so had to go out and spend massive amounts initially to do that.
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Fair enough but that was over a decade ago.
All the players bought in that era have since retired.
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Exactly. That’s my point and that’s why net spend matters. Slot is starting with a title challenging squad so his net spend will be low and we’ll still pick up trophies.
Klopp started with a very average squad sold the whole squad bar Henderson and Gomez and won trophies, then basically built a second squad with a base already there for £350m net. That’s why net spend matters and why Klopp shouldn’t be classed as a chequebook manager. Although to be fair it was a strategy at the club and many others were involved in that, not just Klopp.
posted on 25/2/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 25 minutes ago
Klopp spent nearly nearly £1bn but of course he’s not a chequebook manager 👍
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Pahahaha.
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Liverpool have been very canny with their spending but lets not pretend that Klopp didnt spend £1bn including some world record breaking fees along the way
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Well yes but he sold the whole team apart from Henderson and Gomez to do it. He ended up at about £350m net which was less than all other top six clubs with the second most trophies. So he basically built a squad for £350m, whilst the likes of City, Chelsea and United built theirs with a billion.
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Net soend is irrelevant to whether a manager is a checque book manager or not. How much is spent determines this, not how much is made through sales.
All net spend really shows is the spending power of a club, and whether they need to sell to afford thier spending
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I’m that case every manager who has ever turned an average squad into trophy winners is a chequebook manager as you’re not going to go from average to winning trophies without buying players. To build two trophy winning squads for £350m net is not a chequebook manager.
Of course net spend is relevant.
posted on 25/2/25
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
City wanted to compete as soon as possible and didn’t have much of a base of a squad to build on so had to go out and spend massive amounts initially to do that.
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Fair enough but that was over a decade ago.
All the players bought in that era have since retired.
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Exactly. That’s my point and that’s why net spend matters. Slot is starting with a title challenging squad so his net spend will be low and we’ll still pick up trophies.
Klopp started with a very average squad sold the whole squad bar Henderson and Gomez and won trophies, then basically built a second squad with a base already there for £350m net. That’s why net spend matters and why Klopp shouldn’t be classed as a chequebook manager. Although to be fair it was a strategy at the club and many others were involved in that, not just Klopp.
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Surely it's a wum to suggest Klopp is a cheque book manager.
posted on 25/2/25
comment by Dr Mamba Luther King (U1282)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
City wanted to compete as soon as possible and didn’t have much of a base of a squad to build on so had to go out and spend massive amounts initially to do that.
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Fair enough but that was over a decade ago.
All the players bought in that era have since retired.
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Exactly. That’s my point and that’s why net spend matters. Slot is starting with a title challenging squad so his net spend will be low and we’ll still pick up trophies.
Klopp started with a very average squad sold the whole squad bar Henderson and Gomez and won trophies, then basically built a second squad with a base already there for £350m net. That’s why net spend matters and why Klopp shouldn’t be classed as a chequebook manager. Although to be fair it was a strategy at the club and many others were involved in that, not just Klopp.
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Surely it's a wum to suggest Klopp is a cheque book manager.
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Suggesting Pep is a chequebook manager is equally daft