City's 115 charges

comment by 130 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 9 hours, 9 minutes ago
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c8rpxjgr8mjo

City have an unfair advantage in this tournament because they're used to playing in empty stadiums.
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The irony given United's fan turnout for their ropey league games. Still at least you won't have to bother going to European games next season. Save your attendance for the big 6 pointer games with Burnley, Leeds etc.

So you should have volunteered to take the points and fine?

comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If City had a water tight alibi against the charges should they have used it and stopped this? yeh, no doubt, if the league had solid evidence for the 115 charges should they have had this done and dusted a long time ago? yeh, no doubt.

If we are honest I'm pretty sure 99.9% of us on here really DONT KNOW the facts either way? sure I am not the only one who will be glad when this is done and dusted one way or another
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Make that 100% Piff, certainly not Mr Justice Devonshire KC.

The PL came in like a raging elephant, telling the media about the charges before they even told City.

Why are they being so reticent now? It's up to them to announce the findings of the tribunal, the hearing ended months ago.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If City had a water tight alibi against the charges should they have used it and stopped this? yeh, no doubt, if the league had solid evidence for the 115 charges should they have had this done and dusted a long time ago? yeh, no doubt.

If we are honest I'm pretty sure 99.9% of us on here really DONT KNOW the facts either way? sure I am not the only one who will be glad when this is done and dusted one way or another
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Make that 100% Piff, certainly not Mr Justice Devonshire KC.

The PL came in like a raging elephant, telling the media about the charges before they even told City.

Why are they being so reticent now? It's up to them to announce the findings of the tribunal, the hearing ended months ago.
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It's up to the tribunal to announce its own findings you fecking genius.

Somebody doesn't know what "independent" means.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If City had a water tight alibi against the charges should they have used it and stopped this? yeh, no doubt, if the league had solid evidence for the 115 charges should they have had this done and dusted a long time ago? yeh, no doubt.

If we are honest I'm pretty sure 99.9% of us on here really DONT KNOW the facts either way? sure I am not the only one who will be glad when this is done and dusted one way or another
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Make that 100% Piff, certainly not Mr Justice Devonshire KC.

The PL came in like a raging elephant, telling the media about the charges before they even told City.

Why are they being so reticent now? It's up to them to announce the findings of the tribunal, the hearing ended months ago.
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Now now Boris. It is alleged that the PL released the 115 charges statement before telling City.

I know you like to deal in only 100% water tight facts.

My suspicions is that the PL and City are "settling out of court" The PL with the tribunal report in their hands are striking a deal that is most palatable to both parties and that probably includes a delayed announcement, possible transfer ban from the end of this window onwards, a mega fine and may be some points off.

Just my thinking behind this ridiculous delay, and with the benefit of my many years experience at bar, or is that in the bar

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If City had a water tight alibi against the charges should they have used it and stopped this? yeh, no doubt, if the league had solid evidence for the 115 charges should they have had this done and dusted a long time ago? yeh, no doubt.

If we are honest I'm pretty sure 99.9% of us on here really DONT KNOW the facts either way? sure I am not the only one who will be glad when this is done and dusted one way or another
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Make that 100% Piff, certainly not Mr Justice Devonshire KC.

The PL came in like a raging elephant, telling the media about the charges before they even told City.

Why are they being so reticent now? It's up to them to announce the findings of the tribunal, the hearing ended months ago.
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Just my thinking behind this ridiculous delay, and with the benefit of my many years experience at bar, or is that in the bar
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More like behind bars.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If City had a water tight alibi against the charges should they have used it and stopped this? yeh, no doubt, if the league had solid evidence for the 115 charges should they have had this done and dusted a long time ago? yeh, no doubt.

If we are honest I'm pretty sure 99.9% of us on here really DONT KNOW the facts either way? sure I am not the only one who will be glad when this is done and dusted one way or another
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Make that 100% Piff, certainly not Mr Justice Devonshire KC.

The PL came in like a raging elephant, telling the media about the charges before they even told City.

Why are they being so reticent now? It's up to them to announce the findings of the tribunal, the hearing ended months ago.
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Now now Boris. It is alleged that the PL released the 115 charges statement before telling City.

I know you like to deal in only 100% water tight facts.

My suspicions is that the PL and City are "settling out of court" The PL with the tribunal report in their hands are striking a deal that is most palatable to both parties and that probably includes a delayed announcement, possible transfer ban from the end of this window onwards, a mega fine and may be some points off.

Just my thinking behind this ridiculous delay, and with the benefit of my many years experience at bar, or is that in the bar
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They released the details more than an hour before they informed City, in their haste there were many examples of them even in the detail like claiming City refused to participate in the FA Cup in 2011 and 2012 - City won it in 2011 and were runners up in 2012 so that might have been one of the easier ones to defend.

If/when City are cleared of most/all of the charges, there's likely to be a huge claim for reputational damage, people who are much more ITK than me are saying that might be what's being negotiated at the moment.

The elephant in the room is Arsenal. They seem to be the club that were pressuring the PL to press charges, now it seems they have been holding back on supplying financial information which is what the majority of City's charges are.

At the same time, City have changed the rules so that director loans are no longer exempt from PSR figures. Arsenal used a Director Loan to buy Declan Rice, the fact that this particular 'revenue stream' has been stopped probably explains why they have been so quiet in the transfer market this year.

It was reported that Arsenal had been secretly contacting the PL asking for the punishment for breaking certain rules to be increased, the PL told them to fek off and use the normal channels if they want to ask for rule changes/ammendments.

Like everyone else, I don't have access to the details of the charges in regards to the evidence, neither do I know what evidence has been produced in City's defence. However I do read a lot of articles on the subject and tend to believe sites like the Athletic and dismiss clickbait sites like the Mirror, Mail and countless other 'football sites'.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
If City had a water tight alibi against the charges should they have used it and stopped this? yeh, no doubt, if the league had solid evidence for the 115 charges should they have had this done and dusted a long time ago? yeh, no doubt.

If we are honest I'm pretty sure 99.9% of us on here really DONT KNOW the facts either way? sure I am not the only one who will be glad when this is done and dusted one way or another
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Make that 100% Piff, certainly not Mr Justice Devonshire KC.

The PL came in like a raging elephant, telling the media about the charges before they even told City.

Why are they being so reticent now? It's up to them to announce the findings of the tribunal, the hearing ended months ago.
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Now now Boris. It is alleged that the PL released the 115 charges statement before telling City.

I know you like to deal in only 100% water tight facts.

My suspicions is that the PL and City are "settling out of court" The PL with the tribunal report in their hands are striking a deal that is most palatable to both parties and that probably includes a delayed announcement, possible transfer ban from the end of this window onwards, a mega fine and may be some points off.

Just my thinking behind this ridiculous delay, and with the benefit of my many years experience at bar, or is that in the bar
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They released the details more than an hour before they informed City, in their haste there were many examples of them even in the detail like claiming City refused to participate in the FA Cup in 2011 and 2012 - City won it in 2011 and were runners up in 2012 so that might have been one of the easier ones to defend.

If/when City are cleared of most/all of the charges, there's likely to be a huge claim for reputational damage, people who are much more ITK than me are saying that might be what's being negotiated at the moment.

The elephant in the room is Arsenal. They seem to be the club that were pressuring the PL to press charges, now it seems they have been holding back on supplying financial information which is what the majority of City's charges are.

At the same time, City have changed the rules so that director loans are no longer exempt from PSR figures. Arsenal used a Director Loan to buy Declan Rice, the fact that this particular 'revenue stream' has been stopped probably explains why they have been so quiet in the transfer market this year.

It was reported that Arsenal had been secretly contacting the PL asking for the punishment for breaking certain rules to be increased, the PL told them to fek off and use the normal channels if they want to ask for rule changes/ammendments.

Like everyone else, I don't have access to the details of the charges in regards to the evidence, neither do I know what evidence has been produced in City's defence. However I do read a lot of articles on the subject and tend to believe sites like the Athletic and dismiss clickbait sites like the Mirror, Mail and countless other 'football sites'.
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That's a lovely story, especially the bit about Arsenal, Very imaginative for one sooooo rooted in the burden of proof, its surprising that you are so willing to speculate so wildly,

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 39 minutes ago
They are allowing Man City to regenerate their squad to the tune of half a billion pounds before slapping them with a transfer ban that will make no difference to them as they have completed all their business.
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Half a Billion you say?

City had a £210m surplus on player sales this time last year, so it looks like they've only spent their prize money from last season so far.
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We all know City's accounts are a work of fiction. Should be up for the Booker Prize most years
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If that really was the case, then there’s a lot of companies aside from City that are going to be in trouble.