We aren't going to sign an elite CF this Summer, for the following reasons -
Players of that calibre are few and far between.
We aren't currently a desirable destination.
We are unable, and to a lesser degree, unwilling, to spend above and beyond what we believe to be a players value.
Whilst frustrating, this is maybe the reality check the owners, and us fans needed, and should see expectations checked.
What I wanted to discuss though, is how we think the club could be use the limited resources remaining (assuming we sign Mbeumo and manage to move on at least 2 of Antony, Garnacho, Rashford and Sancho)
Personally, I think an elite GK is a must. Go make a statement and sign the next Donnarumma, Courtouis or Neur.
I also think we should be looking at CMs, but again, don't have a huge list of suitable targets.
So, is a CF and absolute must, or could we make do and improve other areas, and if so, who with?
Best use of our resources
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Give me an R
Give me an D
Give me an D
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an D?
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Everything about rdd is plural. You should know this Barry
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Putting an before the word doesn't make it plural. You use an when it is a vowel that the next word starts with. Hope that helps.
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Look, just except my explanation for a copy and paste error without any follow ups ffs
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I was just concerned in case that has become a thing. Like saying he's instead of his. Or then instead of than.
Just need to stop it in its tracks, if that is the case.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
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posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
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comment by Little Steve (U23271)
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posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
We are no different to other clubs in that we want to sign the best players but as cheaply as possible. The players are out there, but it's a case of being able to identify them and bring them in - we have not been very good at this for the last few seasons, but hopefully things are improving.
We all know the positions that need improving on, but for me, there is something more fundamental than this - we really don't know if Amorim is up to the job. Some will have decided in their heads, but we could find the right players and don't have the right manager.
I say this as someone who still thinks Amorim can turn it around, but he needs to show that. Even allowing for all the circumstances of last season, ultimately both Amorim and the players badly underachieved. We didn't improve as the season went on, if anything we got worse.
So of course, in an ideal world we bring in a GK, CM, CF and Mbuemo and get rid of who we want to. But as everything with football, if the guy making the decisions isn't right, you won't get anywhere.
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In not sure the players are our there.
Can you name 3 very good players that wouldn't cost a fortune in the positions we need to fill?
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Could I personally name them? Of course not, but then that's not my role. i don't meant that as a cop-out, but that's what every football club faces. We see the same old names mentioned, but there will be loads more that we know little about. Of course when signing unproven gems there is risk, but every season there are players who turn out to be way better than expected. We won't get it right every time, but we don't seem to get it right much at all.
And more worryingly, we have signed some very bad ones.
But as with all signings, it depends on when they arrive and how good they turn out. But the fact that Bruno is our only real proven signing in the last 5 years shows you how bad we have been at it.
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The fact that it isnt easy for us to name 3 very good players that won't vost a fortune is indicative of the market.
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You see, I disagree, it just means that I / we don't have that knowledge. Think of all the players that will be signed in the EPL that don't cost a fortune - will be loads of them. And there will be many that don't turn out well, but a fair number that will. I mean the likes of Kerkez, Guehi, Eze, etc etc who when first signed for EPL clubs weren't that dear. there will be a fair number of players like that over the years - the thing is that clubs like Utd maybe don't go for that type of player, but then take them on when they have proved themselves at a smaller EPL club - I guess it's a case of us doing the initial transfer, but that is more risky as i have previously said.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
comment by Romeo Golf Kilo (U22964)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
The utd fans turning their noses up at Calvert Lewin need a serious reality check.
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Please expand on this insightful statement.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
We are no different to other clubs in that we want to sign the best players but as cheaply as possible.
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Except you kinda are. United is one of the biggest clubs in the world by reputation and money. While the fans are patient having a Rasmus who might come good in a season or three is grate for Brighton, for example. Who wouldn't have to pay half the fee or wages United would be asked for.
United have the pull to sign players like Casemiro and De Ligt. Shopping around in the bargain bin won't work for you in the same way because players and clubs view you differently to your typical mid/lower table teams.
Not on the wind up - Spurs have a similar problem to a lesser extent. Needing to improve massively without the huge money required to do so. Difference is players still view us as a good stepping stone, you're supposed to be the final destination
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
comment by Bãleș left boot - Europa Champions 2025 (U22081)
posted 7 seconds ago
We are no different to other clubs in that we want to sign the best players but as cheaply as possible.
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Except you kinda are. United is one of the biggest clubs in the world by reputation and money. While the fans are patient having a Rasmus who might come good in a season or three is grate for Brighton, for example. Who wouldn't have to pay half the fee or wages United would be asked for.
United have the pull to sign players like Casemiro and De Ligt. Shopping around in the bargain bin won't work for you in the same way because players and clubs view you differently to your typical mid/lower table teams.
Not on the wind up - Spurs have a similar problem to a lesser extent. Needing to improve massively without the huge money required to do so. Difference is players still view us as a good stepping stone, you're supposed to be the final destination
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No one is saying shop around the bargain bin. Signing the likes of Casemiro and De Ligt won't get us competing at the top either.
posted 1 week, 6 days ago
sign the best players but as cheaply as possible.
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That's exactly what you'd call looking for bargains. Ain't that world anymore, not sure it ever has been, that you get a great deal on the best players. Unless you're Real Madrid / SAF United where you're almost guaranteed to win stuff
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comment by Little Steve (U23271)
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comment by kinsang (U3346)
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comment by Little Steve (U23271)
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We are no different to other clubs in that we want to sign the best players but as cheaply as possible. The players are out there, but it's a case of being able to identify them and bring them in - we have not been very good at this for the last few seasons, but hopefully things are improving.
We all know the positions that need improving on, but for me, there is something more fundamental than this - we really don't know if Amorim is up to the job. Some will have decided in their heads, but we could find the right players and don't have the right manager.
I say this as someone who still thinks Amorim can turn it around, but he needs to show that. Even allowing for all the circumstances of last season, ultimately both Amorim and the players badly underachieved. We didn't improve as the season went on, if anything we got worse.
So of course, in an ideal world we bring in a GK, CM, CF and Mbuemo and get rid of who we want to. But as everything with football, if the guy making the decisions isn't right, you won't get anywhere.
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In not sure the players are our there.
Can you name 3 very good players that wouldn't cost a fortune in the positions we need to fill?
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Could I personally name them? Of course not, but then that's not my role. i don't meant that as a cop-out, but that's what every football club faces. We see the same old names mentioned, but there will be loads more that we know little about. Of course when signing unproven gems there is risk, but every season there are players who turn out to be way better than expected. We won't get it right every time, but we don't seem to get it right much at all.
And more worryingly, we have signed some very bad ones.
But as with all signings, it depends on when they arrive and how good they turn out. But the fact that Bruno is our only real proven signing in the last 5 years shows you how bad we have been at it.
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The fact that it isnt easy for us to name 3 very good players that won't vost a fortune is indicative of the market.
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You see, I disagree, it just means that I / we don't have that knowledge. Think of all the players that will be signed in the EPL that don't cost a fortune - will be loads of them. And there will be many that don't turn out well, but a fair number that will. I mean the likes of Kerkez, Guehi, Eze, etc etc who when first signed for EPL clubs weren't that dear. there will be a fair number of players like that over the years - the thing is that clubs like Utd maybe don't go for that type of player, but then take them on when they have proved themselves at a smaller EPL club - I guess it's a case of us doing the initial transfer, but that is more risky as i have previously said.
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Kerkez came from AC Milan and Guehi and Eze were youth prospects.
I dont expect fellow fans to have encyclopedic knowledge of players, but we should be able to name 3 very good potential signings in the positions we need.
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Romeo Golf Kilo (U22964)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
The utd fans turning their noses up at Calvert Lewin need a serious reality check.
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Please expand on this insightful statement.
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OK well let's look at the team that finished directly above Man Utd last season- West Ham.
If West Ham tried to sign Calvert Lewin I'd say that would seem fairly realistic for them. If they tried to sign Gyokeres, I wouldn't for one moment think that they would pull it off.
You can only trade off your name and history for so long if your current standing doesn't fit with it, and tbf you might have got Osimhen if you could afford his wages, but the reality is that you can't.
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comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Little Steve (U23271)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
We are no different to other clubs in that we want to sign the best players but as cheaply as possible. The players are out there, but it's a case of being able to identify them and bring them in - we have not been very good at this for the last few seasons, but hopefully things are improving.
We all know the positions that need improving on, but for me, there is something more fundamental than this - we really don't know if Amorim is up to the job. Some will have decided in their heads, but we could find the right players and don't have the right manager.
I say this as someone who still thinks Amorim can turn it around, but he needs to show that. Even allowing for all the circumstances of last season, ultimately both Amorim and the players badly underachieved. We didn't improve as the season went on, if anything we got worse.
So of course, in an ideal world we bring in a GK, CM, CF and Mbuemo and get rid of who we want to. But as everything with football, if the guy making the decisions isn't right, you won't get anywhere.
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In not sure the players are our there.
Can you name 3 very good players that wouldn't cost a fortune in the positions we need to fill?
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Could I personally name them? Of course not, but then that's not my role. i don't meant that as a cop-out, but that's what every football club faces. We see the same old names mentioned, but there will be loads more that we know little about. Of course when signing unproven gems there is risk, but every season there are players who turn out to be way better than expected. We won't get it right every time, but we don't seem to get it right much at all.
And more worryingly, we have signed some very bad ones.
But as with all signings, it depends on when they arrive and how good they turn out. But the fact that Bruno is our only real proven signing in the last 5 years shows you how bad we have been at it.
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The fact that it isnt easy for us to name 3 very good players that won't vost a fortune is indicative of the market.
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You see, I disagree, it just means that I / we don't have that knowledge. Think of all the players that will be signed in the EPL that don't cost a fortune - will be loads of them. And there will be many that don't turn out well, but a fair number that will. I mean the likes of Kerkez, Guehi, Eze, etc etc who when first signed for EPL clubs weren't that dear. there will be a fair number of players like that over the years - the thing is that clubs like Utd maybe don't go for that type of player, but then take them on when they have proved themselves at a smaller EPL club - I guess it's a case of us doing the initial transfer, but that is more risky as i have previously said.
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Kerkez came from AC Milan and Guehi and Eze were youth prospects.
I dont expect fellow fans to have encyclopedic knowledge of players, but we should be able to name 3 very good potential signings in the positions we need.
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The 3 I mentioned were not fully proven when they went to the EPL and did not cost that much - every year we see players who we don't really know who then will make it at a EPL club and we think, what a great signing that was.
Posters on here like to think we know a lot, but let's face it, very few of us do. We mainly reply on media reports, where the same names get banded around. It's the hard work in the background that goes on to try and identify these hidden gems that we don't know / appreciate.
And you won't really know how good they will be until a season or two - I guess someone like Dorgu is an example of this.
But if we just look at a handful of the best of 2024-2025 signings who were either not fully proven or not that well known
e.g. Milenkovic, Huijsen, Minteh, Sarr, Delap - the type of players that the bigger teams wouldn't necessarily take a risk on and we wouldn't have identified as yes, let's go for him.
To varying degrees the above would have been known about, but I don't remember any big hype about them etc.
It could be argued we wouldn't look at them as a bigger club and the way our transfer dynamic is set up, and smaller teams are more able to be speculative but I guess the main point is there will be players at every team that could potentially be a top player but we won't know about it until they get the actual chance
posted 1 week, 5 days ago
comment by Romeo Golf Kilo (U22964)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Romeo Golf Kilo (U22964)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
The utd fans turning their noses up at Calvert Lewin need a serious reality check.
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Please expand on this insightful statement.
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OK well let's look at the team that finished directly above Man Utd last season- West Ham.
If West Ham tried to sign Calvert Lewin I'd say that would seem fairly realistic for them. If they tried to sign Gyokeres, I wouldn't for one moment think that they would pull it off.
You can only trade off your name and history for so long if your current standing doesn't fit with it, and tbf you might have got Osimhen if you could afford his wages, but the reality is that you can't.
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What's any of that got to do with us turning our noses up at DCL though?
Hojlund has more goals for United than DCL has scored in the last 4 seasons.