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Liverpool - have they peaked?

I expect a lot of frothing at the mouth from Liverpool fans here but hear me out please.

Liverpool's best players for the past few years were (in my view) VVD, Salah, Trent and Robertson.

Trent has gone and the other 3 aint getting any younger and have clearly peaked. Combine the inevitable demise which getting older has on everyone and the sad passing of Jota and Liverpool might not be as strong as everyone thinks.

For the record, i think Liverpool will get Isak who i'm sure is superior to Gyokeres and anyone else at Arsenal in attack bar perhaps Saka. They are pretty sorted in attack and even with Salah slowing down (hopefully soon) will damage most teams. But they aren't the best in defence are lacking a CB and maybe 2 if VVD starts to wobble and need a solid DM (Zubimendi would have been perfect for them).

Pundits and fans who write off Arsenal are doing so at their peril as most of our lot are still young and yet to peak plus we have the best defence and midfield (in my view) in the Prem. I think we'll get better but I'm not sure Liverpool will. Whether Arsenal get 10 points better is up for debate though. It will be very tight.

Thoughts?

posted 21 hours, 11 minutes ago

Obviously it should be said also that Trent was a massive weapon and we played in a way to get him on the ball, perhaps more so under Klopp but players will miss that delivery. Frimpong is a good attacking addition and he was the summer signing I had most doubts about but I’ve been impressed so far. He’s certainly suited to the PL with his pace and directness. Of course we also have Bradley who I rate very highly but seems to keep picking up knocks. Hopefully the club can iron that out as I do believe he can be a top player.

posted 20 hours, 41 minutes ago

Yeah CB partnerships are interesting because you can have a lopsided partnership work really well where only one of them is world class, or you can have two elite players of similar level also get similar results but not need to have either of them be generational

posted 15 hours, 2 minutes ago

comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
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comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
VVD and Salah would probably make an all time Liverpool XI. Replacing them both is more or less impossible as those types of players simply don't grow on trees.

That's why the move for Isak makes a ton of sense. Slowly transition from a team that needs it's RF to score most of the goals into a team whose CF can score 25-30 instead.

So I don't think Liverpool have peaked as such but instead they are going to evolve.
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Fair comments, the team evolving could take some time though which could have an impact this season. Unless we give you Saliba then i can't think of a similar CB you could sign who could replace VVD. Certainly in the short-term as he's such a leader.
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We?

I'm not a bin dipper mate. I'm a United fan.

However I am just telling you that Liverpool are no joke anymore. They won't be leaving the conversation now I wouldn't have thought. Even evolving into a different type of team i still fancy them ahead of Arsenal. You lot have a very good squad but I don't rate your manager as a winner quite frankly. Think he talks a good game but in the end I think you will have to upgrade to get over the line in the League and CL.
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I think Arteta is very much a winner. Ruthless as they come by selling Aubameyang, Ozil who wouldn't follow his ideas etc and playing the youth. Doesn't take any nonsense from the media or opposition managers. Does exactly what he thinks is right which, for me, is what all the best ones have done.

Having said that, he's in the last chance saloon now. He's been given loads to spend. Fail this season and he's gone - no excuses
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So he’s a winner who hasn’t won anything and is in the last chance saloon?

More contradictions in this post than a session of PM’s questions.

posted 14 hours, 24 minutes ago

I quite like Arteta but the question for me would be has he managed to more out of the players than another manager would have and has just been up against better teams/players that took the titles/cups etc OR would another manager and different tactics have won something for Arsenal?

I have no idea to be honest?

posted 14 hours, 2 minutes ago

Arteta would do himself no end of favours if he just stopped saying silly things that leave both him and the club open to ridicule.

Optics isn’t everything, but it plays a part.

posted 13 hours, 46 minutes ago

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 14 minutes ago
Arteta would do himself no end of favours if he just stopped saying silly things that leave both him and the club open to ridicule.

Optics isn’t everything, but it plays a part.
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Agree, there are a few managers that also do that, take that out and perspective of them does change

posted 8 hours, 46 minutes ago

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 18 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
VVD and Salah would probably make an all time Liverpool XI. Replacing them both is more or less impossible as those types of players simply don't grow on trees.

That's why the move for Isak makes a ton of sense. Slowly transition from a team that needs it's RF to score most of the goals into a team whose CF can score 25-30 instead.

So I don't think Liverpool have peaked as such but instead they are going to evolve.
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Fair comments, the team evolving could take some time though which could have an impact this season. Unless we give you Saliba then i can't think of a similar CB you could sign who could replace VVD. Certainly in the short-term as he's such a leader.
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We?

I'm not a bin dipper mate. I'm a United fan.

However I am just telling you that Liverpool are no joke anymore. They won't be leaving the conversation now I wouldn't have thought. Even evolving into a different type of team i still fancy them ahead of Arsenal. You lot have a very good squad but I don't rate your manager as a winner quite frankly. Think he talks a good game but in the end I think you will have to upgrade to get over the line in the League and CL.
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I think Arteta is very much a winner. Ruthless as they come by selling Aubameyang, Ozil who wouldn't follow his ideas etc and playing the youth. Doesn't take any nonsense from the media or opposition managers. Does exactly what he thinks is right which, for me, is what all the best ones have done.

Having said that, he's in the last chance saloon now. He's been given loads to spend. Fail this season and he's gone - no excuses
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So he’s a winner who hasn’t won anything and is in the last chance saloon?

More contradictions in this post than a session of PM’s questions.
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Sorry? So a manager can't be a winner but still be at risk of losing his job? That makes no sense. He has the attitude of wanting to win - whether he does though depends on lots of intangible things which you can't always quantify such as injuries, quality of opponent etc. Anyway I'm sure you'll disagree as that is clearly your modus operandi.

posted 8 hours, 19 minutes ago

comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 18 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
VVD and Salah would probably make an all time Liverpool XI. Replacing them both is more or less impossible as those types of players simply don't grow on trees.

That's why the move for Isak makes a ton of sense. Slowly transition from a team that needs it's RF to score most of the goals into a team whose CF can score 25-30 instead.

So I don't think Liverpool have peaked as such but instead they are going to evolve.
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Fair comments, the team evolving could take some time though which could have an impact this season. Unless we give you Saliba then i can't think of a similar CB you could sign who could replace VVD. Certainly in the short-term as he's such a leader.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

We?

I'm not a bin dipper mate. I'm a United fan.

However I am just telling you that Liverpool are no joke anymore. They won't be leaving the conversation now I wouldn't have thought. Even evolving into a different type of team i still fancy them ahead of Arsenal. You lot have a very good squad but I don't rate your manager as a winner quite frankly. Think he talks a good game but in the end I think you will have to upgrade to get over the line in the League and CL.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Arteta is very much a winner. Ruthless as they come by selling Aubameyang, Ozil who wouldn't follow his ideas etc and playing the youth. Doesn't take any nonsense from the media or opposition managers. Does exactly what he thinks is right which, for me, is what all the best ones have done.

Having said that, he's in the last chance saloon now. He's been given loads to spend. Fail this season and he's gone - no excuses
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So he’s a winner who hasn’t won anything and is in the last chance saloon?

More contradictions in this post than a session of PM’s questions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry? So a manager can't be a winner but still be at risk of losing his job? That makes no sense. He has the attitude of wanting to win - whether he does though depends on lots of intangible things which you can't always quantify such as injuries, quality of opponent etc. Anyway I'm sure you'll disagree as that is clearly your modus operandi.
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No, a manager can’t be labelled a winner unless he wins trophies. It’s hardly contradictory to suggest this isn’t the case, after one trophy in 5/6 years.

posted 8 hours, 1 minute ago

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 18 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 minutes ago
VVD and Salah would probably make an all time Liverpool XI. Replacing them both is more or less impossible as those types of players simply don't grow on trees.

That's why the move for Isak makes a ton of sense. Slowly transition from a team that needs it's RF to score most of the goals into a team whose CF can score 25-30 instead.

So I don't think Liverpool have peaked as such but instead they are going to evolve.
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Fair comments, the team evolving could take some time though which could have an impact this season. Unless we give you Saliba then i can't think of a similar CB you could sign who could replace VVD. Certainly in the short-term as he's such a leader.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

We?

I'm not a bin dipper mate. I'm a United fan.

However I am just telling you that Liverpool are no joke anymore. They won't be leaving the conversation now I wouldn't have thought. Even evolving into a different type of team i still fancy them ahead of Arsenal. You lot have a very good squad but I don't rate your manager as a winner quite frankly. Think he talks a good game but in the end I think you will have to upgrade to get over the line in the League and CL.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think Arteta is very much a winner. Ruthless as they come by selling the big established stars and playing the youth. Doesn't take any nonsense from the media or opposition managers. Does exactly what he thinks is right which, for me, is what all the best ones have done.

Having said that, he's in the last chance saloon now. He's been given loads to spend. Fail this season and he's gone - no excuses
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So he’s a winner who hasn’t won anything and is in the last chance saloon?

More contradictions in this post than a session of PM’s questions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry? So a manager can't be a winner but still be at risk of losing his job? That makes no sense. He has the attitude of wanting to win - whether he does though depends on lots of intangible things which you can't always quantify such as injuries, quality of opponent etc. Anyway I'm sure you'll disagree as that is clearly your modus operandi.
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No, a manager can’t be labelled a winner unless he wins trophies. It’s hardly contradictory to suggest this isn’t the case, after one trophy in 5/6 years.
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If you are unable to look at the bigger picture then yes you are correct. However, for those of us who can - in football a winner isn't only defined by trophies. Arteta has reinvigorated the club after more than a decade in the doldrums. He's discarded the overpaid, ill-disciplined superstars like Auba and Ozil and brought in a hungry squad of young players who buy into his work ethic. Training has been modernised, specialist coaches have been brought in, the crowd has been invigorated and expectations have grown and the club is on the up.

This is all due to Arteta and his intense, methodical way of thinking. Yes he is at risk as the club has spent heavily and won nothing but he has done brilliantly and unfortunately been unlucky with injuries or has had to face the generational talent that is Man City and probably the greatest Manager of recent times in Pep. Put it this way, if Arteta left Arsenal there would be a clamour of big clubs looking at bringing him in.
He's a winner no doubt

posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 7 hours, 57 minutes ago
Arteta would do himself no end of favours if he just stopped saying silly things that leave both him and the club open to ridicule.

Optics isn’t everything, but it plays a part.
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Wish he'd stay in his technical area for one

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