Hjulmand for £50m instead?

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
But if the guy who's worth breaking the bank for isn't available, I'd look to go for more of a Dorgu-type transfer: £20m-£30m, already has the physical tools for the job, potential to become really good, but not a strategic mistake (high wages, hard to sell) if he doesn't.
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Should be our transfer policy all along, not looking for Baleba type transfers. The expectation from them is almost always unachievable. Get 3 Dorgu>1Baleba and hope one pans out then sell the other 2.
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But it's very hard to build a title challenging side if you're exclusively buying development players. Brighton and Brentford can keep buying players with potential and giving them time to develop because they don't need European money to sustain their model and they know that top half finishes is basically their ceiling. It works fine for them buying lots of raw talent, seeing a small proportion of them develop into elite players, and getting a short-term sporting boost from them before selling for a massive profit. But they can't predict which ones will become stars, and the minutes given to the larger cohort of players who develop into sub-elite footballers are what put that ceiling on how far they can go.

United's business model isn't based on player sales. And our ambitions are to claw ourselves back into title contention. Not saying we can't sustain any development players in our squad, but we can't base a whole transfer policy on them if we really want to rise up the table. (Once we have a more complete squad, I'd like to see a shift toward more young potential and fewer readymade players.)

Russian

If there is that player on our radar then I'm ok with that, no idea who that is personally. I'm more against the £50m price on a semi established player who isn't really good enough or what we want. Kind of like what we did with Ugarte last summer, an ok player but not really giving us what we need to the level we need. I know all transfers are risks but I feel like these types rarely work out and you're left with a medicore player who doesn't help you much but has also taken a decent chunk out of your spending.

Redastomatoes thinks you can just buy all the wonderkids at 10 years old, put them into the first team and they'll all develop to their full potential and have no issues fitting in and become WC like it's Championship Manager.

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 48 minutes ago
But if the guy who's worth breaking the bank for isn't available, I'd look to go for more of a Dorgu-type transfer: £20m-£30m, already has the physical tools for the job, potential to become really good, but not a strategic mistake (high wages, hard to sell) if he doesn't.
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Should be our transfer policy all along, not looking for Baleba type transfers. The expectation from them is almost always unachievable. Get 3 Dorgu>1Baleba and hope one pans out then sell the other 2.
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Hayden Hackney?

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 8 minutes ago
Russian

If there is that player on our radar then I'm ok with that, no idea who that is personally. I'm more against the £50m price on a semi established player who isn't really good enough or what we want. Kind of like what we did with Ugarte last summer, an ok player but not really giving us what we need to the level we need. I know all transfers are risks but I feel like these types rarely work out and you're left with a medicore player who doesn't help you much but has also taken a decent chunk out of your spending.
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Agreed

https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1956381216447578184?t=-NneunIKurdcynQccNhPUA&s=19

Ah well. Hope we've turned his head enough for next season when we're back in the CL.

Still think it could be one we revisit if we make some sales though!

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
But if the guy who's worth breaking the bank for isn't available, I'd look to go for more of a Dorgu-type transfer: £20m-£30m, already has the physical tools for the job, potential to become really good, but not a strategic mistake (high wages, hard to sell) if he doesn't.
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Should be our transfer policy all along, not looking for Baleba type transfers. The expectation from them is almost always unachievable. Get 3 Dorgu>1Baleba and hope one pans out then sell the other 2.
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But it's very hard to build a title challenging side if you're exclusively buying development players. Brighton and Brentford can keep buying players with potential and giving them time to develop because they don't need European money to sustain their model and they know that top half finishes is basically their ceiling. It works fine for them buying lots of raw talent, seeing a small proportion of them develop into elite players, and getting a short-term sporting boost from them before selling for a massive profit. But they can't predict which ones will become stars, and the minutes given to the larger cohort of players who develop into sub-elite footballers are what put that ceiling on how far they can go.

United's business model isn't based on player sales. And our ambitions are to claw ourselves back into title contention. Not saying we can't sustain any development players in our squad, but we can't base a whole transfer policy on them if we really want to rise up the table. (Once we have a more complete squad, I'd like to see a shift toward more young potential and fewer readymade players.)
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We need to understand we are a midtable team with financial flexibility. We can logically build up the best group of talented youngsters if we target it just right.

It is not the money, its our aiming. Our record is woeful (the whole league is generally bad tbh, predicting how a signing adopts to a new team is not easy). We should be using a machine gun not a sniper. We can afford it.

We have signed young players for development in players like Yoro, Heaven, Kone, and Obi are examples of this. What people here are actually suggesting are players who are further along in their development and ready to take a step up for first team football at a lower PL team who will give time to such a player so he would look to be signed by top team. The issue is, despite finishing 15th, we are expected to be near, if not in, the top 5 of the PL and such players have to hit the ground running these days wity the fans.

Hjulmjland was alweighs gettin s in Serie A becuse his takkles were alweighs a little late

that wud b even moor of a ishoe in EPL