The timing of their decision to release their findings is extraordinary. On new years eve, with an appeal pending they choose to wash their dirty linen in public.
Now we are faced not just with a ban for our top player Luis Suarez but a whole new set of allegations that will have every chance of destroying his career.
The first crucial difference between what the FA said in their report centres around this wretched N word. Now if Luis really has said 'negro' rather than 'negrito' he has lost my backing. I hope the FA have cast iron copper bottomed proof of this because if this is true there is a big question over Suarez's Anfield future.
If it is only on the say so of one man then this judgement needs to be reversed, what civilised country would convict a person on the say so of another with no real evidence? From what I gather nobody other than Evra heard these words which is incredible in it's self.
I'm also amazed the FA has gone as far as accusing Suarez of damaging the integrity of the sport in England. Again with an appeal pending this is a disgraceful statement. It has actually done more damage by fueling controversy.
It seems now that this one will run and run again doing more damage to football. I was of the opinion that we should accept the ban, but after reading the FA's statement it seems like they have gone to war against our club.
This case need a hearing in a proper court not a panel of the FA's choosing which was a flawed idea from the start. With the seriousness of the allegations the only way this can be settled with acceptance from all parties is in a proper court of law. Let us them see how the evidence holds up.
YNWA
Why did the FA Fuel The Fire?
posted on 1/1/12
That question was for you Thers only one red
posted on 1/1/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 32 minutes ago
Calling somebody black isn't racist. Racist is when you believe a race is inferior to another. Racist abuse is when you abuse somebody by using their race. Calling somebody black is not racist. Now before you go calling people an idiot, you should try to understand the thing which you talk about, or you come out of it looking rather foolish.
It is all well and good hiding behind a screen and calling me an idiot but you wouldn't do it to my face, or at least it would be the last time. So if you have nothing constructive to say, keep your comments to yourself.
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If you repeatedly refer to somebody's colour in the midst of a heated argument (this is what Luis Suarez did to Evra) then it is using that person's colour to make them feel inferior. You wouldn't speak to a black guy and keep calling him black would you? Wether it was friendly or not that would be offensive, taking the pss and downright racist. I fully understand what I'm talking about, so I maintain my opinion of you being an idiot. And if you heard you spouting such racist-defending garbage in public I would definitely call you an idiot to your face. Why would it be the last time? Would you physically assault me thus making me scared to say it again? Lol, you joker. My comments are perfectly constructive and I will not keep them to myself. The word idiot is far less offensive than the racist abuse dished out by Suarez.
posted on 1/1/12
comment by CONCERNED EVERTONIAN (U7886)
posted 34 minutes ago
By your comments........spot the difference.
If you are upset by a person,and you react with one of the 2 following.
1, "Hey you, you fooking barsteward"
2,"Hey you,you fooking BLACK barsteward"
As you have identified him by his colour.Which one is the racist comment.
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None of them in my opinion. As neither is implying that a black person is any less than another. However of course many people would take offence to it and i understand if they did. However this is irrelevant as Suarez only said "why, black?". The rest of it is all Evra's account of it, which the FA have taken as gospel.
posted on 1/1/12
comment by NottinghamHotspur (U12338)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 32 minutes ago
Calling somebody black isn't racist. Racist is when you believe a race is inferior to another. Racist abuse is when you abuse somebody by using their race. Calling somebody black is not racist. Now before you go calling people an idiot, you should try to understand the thing which you talk about, or you come out of it looking rather foolish.
It is all well and good hiding behind a screen and calling me an idiot but you wouldn't do it to my face, or at least it would be the last time. So if you have nothing constructive to say, keep your comments to yourself.
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If you repeatedly refer to somebody's colour in the midst of a heated argument (this is what Luis Suarez did to Evra) then it is using that person's colour to make them feel inferior. You wouldn't speak to a black guy and keep calling him black would you? Wether it was friendly or not that would be offensive, taking the pss and downright racist. I fully understand what I'm talking about, so I maintain my opinion of you being an idiot. And if you heard you spouting such racist-defending garbage in public I would definitely call you an idiot to your face. Why would it be the last time? Would you physically assault me thus making me scared to say it again? Lol, you joker. My comments are perfectly constructive and I will not keep them to myself. The word idiot is far less offensive than the racist abuse dished out by Suarez.
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You still don't get it do you? Calling somebody black is not racist whether you do it 1000 times or once. Again this is irrelevant as Suarez admitted to saying it once and no evidence was found to say he said it even that once, nevermind repeated it.
If there is no evidence and you go by the account of a proven liar, then you can't convict a person.
Also you need to understand the difference between racism and racist comments.
All you're good for is hiding behind a screen calling people an idiot. You have no points to make. There is no further reason to debate with you.
posted on 1/1/12
"None of them in my opinion"
And there lies your ignorance.
Would you walk into liverpool 8 and draw the attention of a black person by calling him over "excuse me black chap"?
posted on 1/1/12
"excuse me black chap"?
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If it were late 19th century Toxteth, maybe.
posted on 1/1/12
Jloo. Interesting that none of you have had the guile to respond to the points i made earlier.
As to your insistence that this is matter for the Police and the CPS. grow up read, listen and learn. As no complaint was or hever has been lodged with the Police as to Suarez,s behaviour, the matter is not and can never be a Criminal one. In fact, as Suarez acknowledged certain facts, it is unlikeley that the CPS would have allowed it to progress.
Lastly, it was not an FA tribunal but a true independent Tribunal. Liverpool and their Legal representatives were present on the day and would have had an opportunity to oppose the make-up of the Panel had they wished so to do. The obvious fact that they did not do so is therefore self explanatory.
Just let it rest and accept it with what very little dignity the Club has left.
posted on 1/1/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Calling somebody black is not racist whether you do it 1000 times or once.
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Are you for real? What would be the need for calling somebody black 1000 times? That would be so freaking racist! Why is even one reference to somebody's colour whilst engaged in sporting competition necessary? I do understand the difference between racism and racist comments. There isnt one. Are you saying one is acceptable and one isn't? And what the hell do you mean there is no evidence? The whole report is the evidence.
posted on 1/1/12
comment by NottinghamHotspur (U12338)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Calling somebody black is not racist whether you do it 1000 times or once.
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Are you for real? What would be the need for calling somebody black 1000 times? That would be so freaking racist! Why is even one reference to somebody's colour whilst engaged in sporting competition necessary? I do understand the difference between racism and racist comments. There isnt one. Are you saying one is acceptable and one isn't? And what the hell do you mean there is no evidence? The whole report is the evidence.
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It is not racist to say somebody is black. As soon as you get that into your head, the debate can move on. Are black people offended by their colour? I doubt it. As equals, we are all proud of our colour and that is what makes you angry if somebody racially abuses you based on your colour. However calling somebody black is not racist abuse.
You also need to go educate yourself on the difference of racism and racist comments.
115 pages of 'probably' is not evidence.
posted on 1/1/12
No of course it's not racist to use the word black as a description of a black person. But calling them black for no reason is. OK? I dont need educating on anything. I have been on the receiving end of racist abuse, I am mixed white and black African but am often assumed to be Italian or Asian so I have been called everything by everyone, and i dont give a crap what the difference is between racism and racist comments, call me thick but to me they are both the same. By the way you are mixing up 'evidence' with 'proof'. Yes while there is no full on proof in this case, there doesnt need to be as its not a court of law. You know deep down in your heart Suarez 'probably' said a racist comment. Just admit it to yourself.