This is taken from Stress & Pie. Some should take note.......................
WET HAMS 2 FOREST 1
GO ON, KICK THEM WHEN THEY'RE DOWN
No, we don't think Cotterill is much more than a journeyman manager. No, we don't think he can properly deal with a situation which has spun out of his control. No, we don't know why Greening exists, why Raddy has been sidelined, why the youngsters can't be given a chance.
We do know, however, that Forest are far from dead. We do know that we're getting mightily tired of people dismissing everything connected with Forest as not very good, or soaking up every piece of journalistic dross, every piece of self indulgent, defeatism to fuel their righteous anger.
Forest were better than Wet Hams for long periods of that game. Forest were very unlucky to lose. They lost because they were kicked in the teeth by a set of incompetent, hair-trigger officials. Yes, they should not have wasted so many chances to score before it happened, but to suggest that they got what they deserved, or that the penalty was somehow merely an excuse for the defeat, is plainly ridiculous, driven as it is by the sour contention that Forest no longer deserve any credit for anything.
You may not like to hear this, but against Wet Hams Forest proved that they have the ability and spirit to get out of this mess. If they can play like this consistently, if they can get somebody like Miller motoring up front, they have some hope. If they can replace the dead weight of Greening with a proper footballer, they have more hope. If they could just get a break or two, that hope might turn to expectation.
Of course, it's dangerously uncool to pick out the positives. There's always the likelihood that things will turn round, slap you in the face, and make you look like a prat. It's much easier to take the safe route, and continue to kick Forest when they're down, just as the officials did yesterday. So much easier to take everything the manager or a player says and twist it against them, or to feed off the endless supply of negative publicity surrounding an underachieving side.
We choose not to take that path. Whilst admitting that there's still a lot wrong with Forest, we saw enough yesterday to persuade us that hope continues to glimmer. That's all we need for now. The other way, the shotkickers' way, doesn't interest us in the least.
A Refreashing View
posted on 23/1/12
Lies?
So I haven't always defended the players then? I haven't always said they comfortably have the ability to stay up? I didn't write an article praising the club for appointing SoD?
What lies? You can try all this condescending nonsense all you like. Those are the facts. For some reason the fact I was the first to say we should sack Cotterill seems to really have upset some. To the point where thats all they could see.
If I've said we have good players but the managers rubbish I've been hammered. Plenty have said it's not Cotterills fault, it's the players. That's totally acceptable. One is seen as wrong and negative the other isn't. We have lots of players and one manager. It more positive to say we need to change one man, than to say we need x/y amount of players.
posted on 23/1/12
My West Ham supporting relation who goes to every match home and away says West Ham were very poor Saturday. How much was them playing poor made us look good/decent? more will be found out when we play Burnley.
posted on 23/1/12
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posted on 23/1/12
The sheep is the big one. The form book goes out of the window and win in the Derby can change a season. We've got a decent chance and if we can get a result it could make the difference.
posted on 23/1/12
if only it were true strettea i know we need a bit of luck saturday proved that we don't have a bad team 2 dodgey decisions from officials that changed the game but IMO cotterill is not the man for the job why he don't play raddi and plays a donkey in greening i'll never know but i feel if we don't get rid i think we will go down SOD would do a better job we don't deserve to be where we are FTID
posted on 24/1/12
Hooijdonk, he's not lying, he has been harping on about how good our players are and that it's all the managers fault. I don't agree with him mind you and don't rate our players particularly highly. We need a livewire in midfield to close people down consistently.
We've not got bad players we've got inconsistent players, how else do you justify the Leicester game followed by the West Ham game?
posted on 24/1/12
Hooijdonk, he's not lying, he has been harping on about how good our players are
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I can't win
I say the managers rubbish and I get stick. I say the players are good and I get stick. I really can't get my head round the fact, I can't have a go at Cotterill despite his awful record. But I also can't say the players are decent despite the fact I've seen most them play consistently well with my own eyes. And the newer players have all been decent elsewhere.
Your a crazy bunch on here
posted on 24/1/12
I think the problem is I didn't wait long enough to say Cotterill should be sacked. It got people's backs up. The fact that it looks like I was probably right on this occasion doesn't seem to have helped.
Still Cotterill out!!!!
posted on 24/1/12
"I say the managers rubbish and I get stick. I say the players are good and I get stick."
Because that's not two different things, it's one argument - players good+manager bad = blame SC for everything.
Look at us shambolically losing to Leicester then playing well v WH. Did SC do/say that much different or did the players cave in one week then actually put a decent effort in the week after? I suppose it's credit due to those fantastic players, told you they weren't bad. They did well despite SC eh?
posted on 24/1/12
Because that's not two different things, it's one argument - players good+manager bad = blame SC for everything.
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I've never said he's to blame for everything. Its not about blame. The question is does sacking Cotterill give Forest a better chance of staying. I think it does.