No, not really...
I think there is a REAL determination to go up via the play-offs. SG was brought in specifically to ensure we had the best chance of doing that.
Deano knows the salary cap next season will have a negative effect on Town, so to be honest, I think we will see a real determined effort this time, and I'm totally confident we will succeed too...
im totally confident we can talk it up better than anyone else..
home truths were required...the bournemouth game was totally unacceptable, same as the oldham game the year before..
not playing well happens, mistakes happen, not playing at all and not putting any great effort in isnt allowed..
Yes Jacko nice theory but I just feel a liitle manipulated at the moment, I only 'ope the playas ARE. All of the media blurb coming out appears to be unconvincing and trying to let us down gently - doing all we can but.......................................
I know York, been there myself..but this is a bit different. It's the last chance saloon for a whole host of Town players, and I'm sure they have been told good and proper what they need to do...they owe it to themselves, the fans, the staff but most of all to Deano.
Anything other than 200% (I know that's not possible...) will not be tolerated. They have got to work like tigers, give it everything..ffs it's 3 games..
The 'only' waiver, is how Grayson decides he wants to play it...if he trusts his players are really up for it then he can play a high powered attack game...if he feels there is still some doubt, he might go a bit more cagey...
I just want us to GO FOR IT, and if we fail, at least we can say everybody gave their maximum...
On a different topic, I reckon the revelations today that Leeds are prepared to make their one and only star man Robert Snodgrass their highest paid player on £15,000/week, providing he will sign on for another season, has put paid to some Town fans ridiculous claims that a half dozen or more of our players are on £10,000/week plus.
The true facts probably are that apart from Smithies and Rhodes, non of the rest are on anywhere near £10,000/week.
Lets be honest, these two are only on this sort of money because of their future transfer value to Town, and astute Businessman Deano is highly unlikely to have sanctioned salaries for the best of rest at much over £3000/£5000/week.
After all, we are talking about Third Division players here, not Premiership or Championship players, so lets have no more stupid talk of the supposedly high salaries paid to some of our players.
The mindset for the playoffs start Now.
right now. Tomorrow...if I say so miself,,to be sure.
Although joviality aside, It should have been at the very least when eS Gee took over.
These last 4 League matches do matter. 4 wins & 12 points is what is required to........
.......lead us into the play offs.
Absolute determination by 'our' lads to be 'In that starting eleven'. The attitude of the likes of Roberts is ,
UNACCEPTABLE.
'we' don't need 'em.
every team we play now, till the season's conclusion, should leave the field thinking, 'That's the hardest game I've ever played in'
because Literally, Nothing else will do.
"Set 'em a 4 king light, The Blue & Bloodee White"
Absolutely Darn, but I get the impression the media stories are for us and not the players who will go about their business as usual, the time for grit and determination was needed to get autos, and they didn't. So I reckon little change and into the lottery of the poffs we go !
If we don't win the lottery, it's all change next year, and hopefully with some more committed players to complement the one we have at the moment !
Blimey York,
I know a lot of Town's players are pretty poor, but adding players to complement our only one is a bit strong. Only jesting!
York, A lot of it is column inches for the local rag. meaningless waffle that they think people want to read. It's exactly the same with the Giants, you get the same theme from the manager, players, coach etc...'We're up for this, we've trained harder than ever before, we will bounce back, we are totally focused on the job, the players are committed and good enough......and on and on and on...'
It's all Ballorks..
We never get to know (well seldom anyway) what the 'real' message is, 'cos that's on the training ground and in the dressing room.
But the proof of the message will be revealed today at 3pm, when this set of muppets reveal to the world how committed they really are..or not, as the case may be.
There's no hiding place for any of them, and you can bet that if things are going badly this afternoon, the fans will let them know exactly what they think of them !
if its right what people say,that we can go up via the play-offs,then what happened against sheff wed,why did we lose against them,and what if we play the same when we meet em in the play-offs
No 2 games are the same.. just look at Town v Sheff Utd, won 3-0 away, lost 0-1 at home...then Sheff Wed, we scored 4 at their place, none at ours...there's no logic to it all...and as such when we meet whichever of the Sheff clubs again in the play-offs, it will be completely different...
Not saying we'll win, just that it'll be different
I'm hoping that the 'losing' Sheff club comes unstook in the semi's, cos the 6th place team's mind set will be 100% better than the 3rd place team!
Should Jamie McCombe be renamed Jonah McCombe....
Article in local rag says he's missed out in all SIX play-offs he's been involved in... that's not very encouraging.
However, it may be lucky 7 this time, and also lucky 3rd time for Town...
Is this an Omen....Will Damien be playing....
MIRF..
you may use stats to try and mystify all and sundry as to why town are brilliant and yet still stuck in the same league..
but please listen again::::::
oggy stated on radio that he had spoken to members of the board in relation to a number of a first team squad being on £10,000 a week and more in some cases..
HAVE YOU GOT THE ABOVE ????
NOW THEN:::::::
Oggy stated that clibbens and others refused point blank to admit the above but would not, when pushed very hard, DENY THE FACT....
As Oggy stated it woulod bear out when the accounts were publsihed...and my word it has..
Mirf, live in your cocooned retirement home, use stats to cover the sh-te, but the facts are we have massiveley overpaid a load of underachievers being amanged by a serial underachiever..
Just as well that Jonah won't be involved in this one then Jacko. Tells me more about the useless tower of sht than lucky or unlucky though.
I'd expect the £10k p/w brigade (which is £0.5m pa....!!!) to include...Naysmith, Johnson, Alan Lee, Joey G, poss Bennett, maybe Ward,
It's a ludicrous amount of money..and of course lee Clark was on top whack too, as will Grayson be...
Even £1,000 pw is over £50k p/yr...which is more than 90% of Towns supporters are on I expect.. but I'm only speculating, and they don't reveal these figures in the accounts do they..?
Makes me laugh me head off when folk moan about how much players earn. Like they should say "No thanks, its not fair". They're just everyday humans - they are just lucky bstrds cause they get paid bucket loads for doing something they enjoy. Best of luck to 'em.
At the end of the day - its are own fecking fault for pitching up every week and paying through the nose to watch 'em.
no they dont jacko..not specific players wages.. but no one at the club has ever denied it...clark used to bang on about how we all believed his players were on a lot more than they were etc.. it was merely him trying desperately to cover up the lack of progress.. He got them so far and couldnt get that extra bit.. no matter how much money we threw at him and it..
the players will all know who is on what, the top earners mates in the game will know what they are on and nobody has ever come out and made any type of denial etc..
its good business by hoyle in the case of pilkington, peltier and smithies and rhodes..it ties them up to the club and increases their transfer fees to some tune..
but joey, alan lee and others its a lot of money and if we dont get the advantage on the pitch then its wasted..
bob..
football is "eating itself"....the greed and the agents etc are going to kill off large sections of it..
Some dont expect much from someone earning 10 grand week, thats how daft its got , this is the 3rd division and some of the play I have watched wouldnt have graced a pub team game on a sunday morning on a pitch where you can either play with the "tide" or up the side of the mountain "first"..
Someone, somewhere, has to get a grip on this or we will lose the lower leagues all together... They simply cant expect enough people to keep paying silly money to watch, very, very ordinary(at best) footballers playing this rubbish, whilst earmning silly money..Its an accident waiting to happen.. Watching town at the moment is like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know its going to be sh-tty, you can see it happening in front of you, you know whats coming next, but you cant stop it... Cant be allowed to just go on..
Eggnob...I don't blame the players, I blame the club...or football in general...for allowing themselves to be sucked into this confidence trick by agents. It's like the bloomin Bankers, they say they need £10m bonus because they are on a 'world stage' and would go and make their losses in Botswana if they paid more....
It's not as though any of the clubs can afford these wages...how many make any profit...? The contracts of £250,000 per WEEK are crazy..that's a £m a month...can you imagine getting your payslip with that sort of gross pay on it each month...?? Jeez..
Of course it isn't sustainable, everybody knows that, and it's only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down, which it surely will.
Who was it said Income £1, expenditure 99p = happiness...Income £1, expenditure £1.01 = misery...
From the BBC NEWS Website 3.4.2012
One in five clubs in the English Football League is in "poor financial health", according to a survey by administrators Begbies Traynor.
The company is overseeing the administration of Port Vale, the latest in a list of clubs including Portsmouth who are in trouble.
"Many clubs are continuing to spend too much, principally on players' wages, as they always have done," it said.
The survey did not include any teams in the Premier League.
Of 68 teams surveyed in those divisions, 13 have signs of distress such as serious court actions against them, including winding-up petitions, late filing of accounts and "serious" negative balances on their balance sheets.
That 19% compares to just 1% in the wider economy, the firm said.
"While Premier League clubs are guaranteed huge television money every year and some have extremely wealthy backers, there are signs of genuine financial distress among a significant number of football league clubs," said Gerald Krasner, a partner at Begbies Traynor.
"The sales of season tickets for next season, many of which are paid for during April and May, could provide some short-term relief for struggling clubs, but it won't solve the underlying problems."
The financially distressed clubs include three in the Championship, six in League One and four in League Two.
Mr. Micawber in Charles Dickens’ novel, ‘David Copperfield’ expounded the ‘Micawber Principle’, based upon his observations, as follows... "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."
Of course he was talking about proper pounds, shillings and pence, not this modern decimal rubbish!
Nice one Capt. The days when footballers could 'turn on a tanner'...
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posted on 13/4/12
No, not really...
I think there is a REAL determination to go up via the play-offs. SG was brought in specifically to ensure we had the best chance of doing that.
Deano knows the salary cap next season will have a negative effect on Town, so to be honest, I think we will see a real determined effort this time, and I'm totally confident we will succeed too...
posted on 13/4/12
im totally confident we can talk it up better than anyone else..
home truths were required...the bournemouth game was totally unacceptable, same as the oldham game the year before..
not playing well happens, mistakes happen, not playing at all and not putting any great effort in isnt allowed..
posted on 13/4/12
Yes Jacko nice theory but I just feel a liitle manipulated at the moment, I only 'ope the playas ARE. All of the media blurb coming out appears to be unconvincing and trying to let us down gently - doing all we can but.......................................
posted on 13/4/12
I know York, been there myself..but this is a bit different. It's the last chance saloon for a whole host of Town players, and I'm sure they have been told good and proper what they need to do...they owe it to themselves, the fans, the staff but most of all to Deano.
Anything other than 200% (I know that's not possible...) will not be tolerated. They have got to work like tigers, give it everything..ffs it's 3 games..
The 'only' waiver, is how Grayson decides he wants to play it...if he trusts his players are really up for it then he can play a high powered attack game...if he feels there is still some doubt, he might go a bit more cagey...
I just want us to GO FOR IT, and if we fail, at least we can say everybody gave their maximum...
posted on 13/4/12
On a different topic, I reckon the revelations today that Leeds are prepared to make their one and only star man Robert Snodgrass their highest paid player on £15,000/week, providing he will sign on for another season, has put paid to some Town fans ridiculous claims that a half dozen or more of our players are on £10,000/week plus.
The true facts probably are that apart from Smithies and Rhodes, non of the rest are on anywhere near £10,000/week.
Lets be honest, these two are only on this sort of money because of their future transfer value to Town, and astute Businessman Deano is highly unlikely to have sanctioned salaries for the best of rest at much over £3000/£5000/week.
After all, we are talking about Third Division players here, not Premiership or Championship players, so lets have no more stupid talk of the supposedly high salaries paid to some of our players.
posted on 13/4/12
The mindset for the playoffs start Now.
right now. Tomorrow...if I say so miself,,to be sure.
Although joviality aside, It should have been at the very least when eS Gee took over.
These last 4 League matches do matter. 4 wins & 12 points is what is required to........
.......lead us into the play offs.
Absolute determination by 'our' lads to be 'In that starting eleven'. The attitude of the likes of Roberts is ,
UNACCEPTABLE.
'we' don't need 'em.
every team we play now, till the season's conclusion, should leave the field thinking, 'That's the hardest game I've ever played in'
because Literally, Nothing else will do.
"Set 'em a 4 king light, The Blue & Bloodee White"
posted on 13/4/12
Absolutely Darn, but I get the impression the media stories are for us and not the players who will go about their business as usual, the time for grit and determination was needed to get autos, and they didn't. So I reckon little change and into the lottery of the poffs we go !
If we don't win the lottery, it's all change next year, and hopefully with some more committed players to complement the one we have at the moment !
posted on 14/4/12
Blimey York,
I know a lot of Town's players are pretty poor, but adding players to complement our only one is a bit strong. Only jesting!
posted on 14/4/12
York, A lot of it is column inches for the local rag. meaningless waffle that they think people want to read. It's exactly the same with the Giants, you get the same theme from the manager, players, coach etc...'We're up for this, we've trained harder than ever before, we will bounce back, we are totally focused on the job, the players are committed and good enough......and on and on and on...'
It's all Ballorks..
We never get to know (well seldom anyway) what the 'real' message is, 'cos that's on the training ground and in the dressing room.
But the proof of the message will be revealed today at 3pm, when this set of muppets reveal to the world how committed they really are..or not, as the case may be.
There's no hiding place for any of them, and you can bet that if things are going badly this afternoon, the fans will let them know exactly what they think of them !
posted on 14/4/12
if its right what people say,that we can go up via the play-offs,then what happened against sheff wed,why did we lose against them,and what if we play the same when we meet em in the play-offs
posted on 14/4/12
No 2 games are the same.. just look at Town v Sheff Utd, won 3-0 away, lost 0-1 at home...then Sheff Wed, we scored 4 at their place, none at ours...there's no logic to it all...and as such when we meet whichever of the Sheff clubs again in the play-offs, it will be completely different...
Not saying we'll win, just that it'll be different
posted on 14/4/12
I'm hoping that the 'losing' Sheff club comes unstook in the semi's, cos the 6th place team's mind set will be 100% better than the 3rd place team!
posted on 14/4/12
Should Jamie McCombe be renamed Jonah McCombe....
Article in local rag says he's missed out in all SIX play-offs he's been involved in... that's not very encouraging.
However, it may be lucky 7 this time, and also lucky 3rd time for Town...
Is this an Omen....Will Damien be playing....
posted on 14/4/12
MIRF..
you may use stats to try and mystify all and sundry as to why town are brilliant and yet still stuck in the same league..
but please listen again::::::
oggy stated on radio that he had spoken to members of the board in relation to a number of a first team squad being on £10,000 a week and more in some cases..
HAVE YOU GOT THE ABOVE ????
NOW THEN:::::::
Oggy stated that clibbens and others refused point blank to admit the above but would not, when pushed very hard, DENY THE FACT....
As Oggy stated it woulod bear out when the accounts were publsihed...and my word it has..
Mirf, live in your cocooned retirement home, use stats to cover the sh-te, but the facts are we have massiveley overpaid a load of underachievers being amanged by a serial underachiever..
posted on 14/4/12
Just as well that Jonah won't be involved in this one then Jacko. Tells me more about the useless tower of sht than lucky or unlucky though.
posted on 14/4/12
I'd expect the £10k p/w brigade (which is £0.5m pa....!!!) to include...Naysmith, Johnson, Alan Lee, Joey G, poss Bennett, maybe Ward,
It's a ludicrous amount of money..and of course lee Clark was on top whack too, as will Grayson be...
Even £1,000 pw is over £50k p/yr...which is more than 90% of Towns supporters are on I expect.. but I'm only speculating, and they don't reveal these figures in the accounts do they..?
posted on 14/4/12
Makes me laugh me head off when folk moan about how much players earn. Like they should say "No thanks, its not fair". They're just everyday humans - they are just lucky bstrds cause they get paid bucket loads for doing something they enjoy. Best of luck to 'em.
At the end of the day - its are own fecking fault for pitching up every week and paying through the nose to watch 'em.
posted on 14/4/12
no they dont jacko..not specific players wages.. but no one at the club has ever denied it...clark used to bang on about how we all believed his players were on a lot more than they were etc.. it was merely him trying desperately to cover up the lack of progress.. He got them so far and couldnt get that extra bit.. no matter how much money we threw at him and it..
the players will all know who is on what, the top earners mates in the game will know what they are on and nobody has ever come out and made any type of denial etc..
its good business by hoyle in the case of pilkington, peltier and smithies and rhodes..it ties them up to the club and increases their transfer fees to some tune..
but joey, alan lee and others its a lot of money and if we dont get the advantage on the pitch then its wasted..
posted on 14/4/12
bob..
football is "eating itself"....the greed and the agents etc are going to kill off large sections of it..
Some dont expect much from someone earning 10 grand week, thats how daft its got , this is the 3rd division and some of the play I have watched wouldnt have graced a pub team game on a sunday morning on a pitch where you can either play with the "tide" or up the side of the mountain "first"..
Someone, somewhere, has to get a grip on this or we will lose the lower leagues all together... They simply cant expect enough people to keep paying silly money to watch, very, very ordinary(at best) footballers playing this rubbish, whilst earmning silly money..Its an accident waiting to happen.. Watching town at the moment is like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know its going to be sh-tty, you can see it happening in front of you, you know whats coming next, but you cant stop it... Cant be allowed to just go on..
posted on 14/4/12
Eggnob...I don't blame the players, I blame the club...or football in general...for allowing themselves to be sucked into this confidence trick by agents. It's like the bloomin Bankers, they say they need £10m bonus because they are on a 'world stage' and would go and make their losses in Botswana if they paid more....
It's not as though any of the clubs can afford these wages...how many make any profit...? The contracts of £250,000 per WEEK are crazy..that's a £m a month...can you imagine getting your payslip with that sort of gross pay on it each month...?? Jeez..
Of course it isn't sustainable, everybody knows that, and it's only a matter of time before it all comes crashing down, which it surely will.
Who was it said Income £1, expenditure 99p = happiness...Income £1, expenditure £1.01 = misery...
posted on 14/4/12
From the BBC NEWS Website 3.4.2012
One in five clubs in the English Football League is in "poor financial health", according to a survey by administrators Begbies Traynor.
The company is overseeing the administration of Port Vale, the latest in a list of clubs including Portsmouth who are in trouble.
"Many clubs are continuing to spend too much, principally on players' wages, as they always have done," it said.
The survey did not include any teams in the Premier League.
Of 68 teams surveyed in those divisions, 13 have signs of distress such as serious court actions against them, including winding-up petitions, late filing of accounts and "serious" negative balances on their balance sheets.
That 19% compares to just 1% in the wider economy, the firm said.
"While Premier League clubs are guaranteed huge television money every year and some have extremely wealthy backers, there are signs of genuine financial distress among a significant number of football league clubs," said Gerald Krasner, a partner at Begbies Traynor.
"The sales of season tickets for next season, many of which are paid for during April and May, could provide some short-term relief for struggling clubs, but it won't solve the underlying problems."
The financially distressed clubs include three in the Championship, six in League One and four in League Two.
Mr. Micawber in Charles Dickens’ novel, ‘David Copperfield’ expounded the ‘Micawber Principle’, based upon his observations, as follows... "Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."
Of course he was talking about proper pounds, shillings and pence, not this modern decimal rubbish!
posted on 14/4/12
Nice one Capt. The days when footballers could 'turn on a tanner'...
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