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posted on 29/3/20

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comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Oscar. 2019 YEAR OF THE MACK! #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 16 minutes ago
this is the problem, there's UTT morons like some people not heeding any advice and there's OTT morons like Mons taking this way too seriously
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Lol explain why I'm the problem and the people flaunting the rules aren't?


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You are calling for mass house arrest and martial law in a liberal democracy, on the grounds of what - fewer deaths than the seasonal flu?

The pathetic, unquestioning, supine "SomETHing mUST bE DoNE!" attitude - even if it means totally compromising all of your freedoms and giving government unprecedented power - is a deeply dangerous approach to big issues of our time.

Besides, the vast, vast majority of people are following the rules. We do not need collective draconian punishment because of a few isolated idiots that your anecdotal evidence tells us exist.


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Totally agree with this

And as far as I can see the vast vast majority of people in the country are following the lockdown rules exactly and responsibly.

Allowing the state to take away anymore of our freedoms than they already have this week becomes a very slippery slope towards a potentially Orwellian society.

comment by Mons (U21799)

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Oscar. 2019 YEAR OF THE MACK! #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 16 minutes ago
this is the problem, there's UTT morons like some people not heeding any advice and there's OTT morons like Mons taking this way too seriously
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Lol explain why I'm the problem and the people flaunting the rules aren't?


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You are calling for mass house arrest and martial law in a liberal democracy, on the grounds of what - fewer deaths than the seasonal flu?

The pathetic, unquestioning, supine "SomETHing mUST bE DoNE!" attitude - even if it means totally compromising all of your freedoms and giving government unprecedented power - is a deeply dangerous approach to big issues of our time.

Besides, the vast, vast majority of people are following the rules. We do not need collective draconian punishment because of a few isolated idiots that your anecdotal evidence tells us exist.


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What can you do to stop that if that is what the goverment wants?

comment by Mons (U21799)

posted on 29/3/20

If u think its mad
Just wait
It will happen
Yes we can go out but it will be supervised and time limited and curfewed

posted on 29/3/20

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comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 13 minutes ago
If u think its mad
Just wait
It will happen
Yes we can go out but it will be supervised and time limited and curfewed
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Mons you may be correct about it happening but that doesn't make it right mate. A lot of people will suffer hugely both mentally and physically if they're not allowed out for weeks or months on end. The implications will be horrendous.

comment by Mons (U21799)

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Blue in the face (U22288)
posted 2 minutes ago
"What can you do to stop that if that is what the goverment wants?"


^ None of that has anything to do with whether it is the right thing to do, or the fact your were openly advocating it.

Thankfully, the government has not gone that far - yet.

I think the unquestioning approach you to have to issue is rather sheep-like and embarassing.
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Lol if you knew me personally you would think the absolute opposite I love a conspiracy me and an orwellian state is something I have been convinced was coming for ages.

My comment came off the back of a conversation with my brothers. Who hate my conspiracy theories. One brother said. OK if all that is true, what are you going to do about it. If this is what they are planning what can you do other than be compliant.

He also called me out for my hipocricy for calling conspiracy but then getting annoyed with people being out.

I think it's a very interesting discussion personally

comment by Mons (U21799)

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 13 minutes ago
If u think its mad
Just wait
It will happen
Yes we can go out but it will be supervised and time limited and curfewed
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Mons you may be correct about it happening but that doesn't make it right mate. A lot of people will suffer hugely both mentally and physically if they're not allowed out for weeks or months on end. The implications will be horrendous.
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What does it matter if its right or not. If it happens it happens there is literally nothing anyone can do to stop it. Particularly if the military are involved.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
Hope TLLL is alright on his travels
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Faaaack I completely forgot about him

posted on 29/3/20

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/


For those interested in tracking the numbers

posted on 29/3/20

https://mol.im/a/8164705

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 13 minutes ago
If u think its mad
Just wait
It will happen
Yes we can go out but it will be supervised and time limited and curfewed
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Mons you may be correct about it happening but that doesn't make it right mate. A lot of people will suffer hugely both mentally and physically if they're not allowed out for weeks or months on end. The implications will be horrendous.
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What does it matter if its right or not. If it happens it happens there is literally nothing anyone can do to stop it. Particularly if the military are involved.
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But you're saying that it's right that draconian measures be brought in that will only bring us steps closer to the Orwellian state we all fear may be coming.

If you also fear the Orwellian state then you shouldn't want further restrictive measures to be brought in that restrict our movement. You seem to be at cross purposes here.

comment by Mons (U21799)

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 13 minutes ago
If u think its mad
Just wait
It will happen
Yes we can go out but it will be supervised and time limited and curfewed
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Mons you may be correct about it happening but that doesn't make it right mate. A lot of people will suffer hugely both mentally and physically if they're not allowed out for weeks or months on end. The implications will be horrendous.
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What does it matter if its right or not. If it happens it happens there is literally nothing anyone can do to stop it. Particularly if the military are involved.
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But you're saying that it's right that draconian measures be brought in that will only bring us steps closer to the Orwellian state we all fear may be coming.

If you also fear the Orwellian state then you shouldn't want further restrictive measures to be brought in that restrict our movement. You seem to be at cross purposes here.
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I am at cross purposes and a total hypocrite
Seeing more and more reports of healthy people going I to insteive care, more healthy people dying.
It's scary so I want to be protected from it. I don't want to die.

So I want everyone to stay the feck indoors to keep the NHS running so if I or anyone in my family get sick they can have the care they need.

No one wants an orwellian distopia, but that's how these things are enforced, through fear

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Greenwood FC (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 4 hours, 1 minute ago
Hope TLLL is alright on his travels
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Faaaack I completely forgot about him
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be nice if he would drop on to say hi so we know he's ok

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 45 minutes ago
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/


For those interested in tracking the numbers
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don't get this, so according to that only 163 people are in hospitals in total in the UK with corona?

posted on 29/3/20

surely that's BS

posted on 29/3/20

and in about 10 weeks we've only had 10% of people / 135 people that have recovered? That's BS as well

posted on 29/3/20

Mons wants heavy surveillance put in so he can tell everyone he was right about heavy government surveillance

https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

posted on 29/3/20

mons wants to be a sergeant presiding over it all

comment by RtM (U1097)

posted on 29/3/20

Fewer deaths than the seasonal flu.....riiiigghhht

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 29/3/20

Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. So far we have 33,000 deaths worldwide attributed to covid 19.

posted on 29/3/20

New York has almost 60,000 confirmed cases and just under 1000 deaths. Italy over 100,000 cases and over 10,000 desths. Even allowing for a lag effect,l in NY, the death ratio differential appears extraordinary.

comment by CSTP (U1453)

posted on 29/3/20

Most years with the flu though I don’t think the NHS faces the same level of strain.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 6 minutes ago
Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. So far we have 33,000 deaths worldwide attributed to covid 19.
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But the rate of death is the issue here surely. Italy 10, 000 deaths in less than a month, that can't go unchecked.

posted on 29/3/20

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 6 minutes ago
Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year. So far we have 33,000 deaths worldwide attributed to covid 19.
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But the rate of death is the issue here surely. Italy 10, 000 deaths in less than a month, that can't go unchecked.
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