Thats cheap PD you must be making plenty of money down in your neck of the woods
I'm sitting on a gold mine, lancs. That and genital herpes. x
Roz@NEU
This thread is, that's the question.
I agree entirely with you on your last point, it isn't our job, it is our passion, our choice. I do not go and yell my head off at the chairman or Harvey, I concentrate on what I pay to watch, the football. I want to be entertained as you do.
I see it as their job to entertain us!
IMO next season, with the correct backing, we might be entertained a bit more.
Cozer, I meant the obvious sarcasm in the post implying that we should all just shut up and "get behind the club" as "that's the way forward".
always that little modifier "with the correct backing", making the assumption that it's actually going to happen. What on earth makes you think that?
You really are a depressing little soul aren't you?
Mako: Thats why me and you will never be real supporters like Tusc and Onion.
Eric Onion
Cozer :
Following on to your question to MarkoLUFC can I ask you this - Do you think Bates is the club...?
I ask because I don't, I believe he is here only temporarily and will at some stage move on, but the club will remain, hopefully more financially secure than it was when he took over..
It is the club we support, I believe there is a difference between the supporting the club that is Leeds United and supporting Ken Bates who is merely the current custodian.
What do you think...?
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Onion: The present board are driving supporters away in their thousands, I really do believe we've lost at least 10,000 supporters due to the current boards ways. Yes we are just lending Bates our club but it really does scare me what kind of state he will hand it back in.
I was being sarcastic with my answer to Marko who I have a lot of time for.
If you'd spent any large amount of time on not606 you'd know I used to be one of the positive bunch, right up until I realised bates has sucked all the life out of the club. We're going nowhere with him in charge.
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If anyone can tell me the whereabouts of Tuscany over the next few days.........................
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OK Chaps Panic Over..........................
Roughly triangular in shape and situated between the northern part of the Tyrrhenian Sea, with some islands Tuscan Archipelago, and the central Apennines, Tuscany has an area of approximately 22,993 square kilometres (8,878 sq mi). Surrounded and crossed by major mountain chains, and with few (but fertile) plains, the region has a relief that is dominated by hilly country. Most of the work done here is farming. Whereas mountains cover 25% of the total area — 5,770 square kilometres (2,230 sq mi), and plains a mere 8.4% of the total area, almost all coinciding with the valley of the River Arno, summing for 1,930 square kilometres (750 sq mi), — overall hills make up two-thirds (66.5%) of the region's total area, covering 15,292 square kilometres (5,904 sq mi).
Yes It looks it Tusc: No one bit last night when I first posted it. I was looking for a war
Some mates you've got.
I just can't get it round my head how Tuscany, someone who claims to own a casino so knows some level of business success, can think bates is running a good business at Leeds...
A good businessman doesn't go to court over a case where he hasn't a leg to stand on because he can't keep his mouth shut, costing the business millions in legal fees that could be spent improving the primary operation of that business.
Marko
is there any other subject you'd like to talk about? other than Bates?
it just so happens I think this yes, what of it? we all have different opinions, maybe it is becasue Leeds are not my first team, fiorentina are, so maybe I look at it from a different angle? as regards to being a good business man, however he made it, he is a millionaire, correct? - thats my reasoning..
also, I note your tone, you have insulted me and others often for not agreeing with you. I suggest you either stop it, or come and see me in person to discuss it further.
Actually look up his business history, he's made his millions selling failing businesses that he got into masses of debt.
There's just too many factors that you appear to be completely ignoring. I've considered every angle, even the apparently positive aspects, I've considered it to death and can't come up with a rationale for being in favour of the current set up.
It's basically a case of "if you ignore the bad stuff he's doing then he's a good businessman".
I accept that people don't always get what they deserve, and sometimes people who have no business being in power somehow get there. Look at dictatorships.
It's like saying "well you can say Hitler was a terrible leader, but he got there for a reason so maybe not!"
The harassment case for example - spending millions of pounds of club money pursuing a case he's no chance of winning over a matter of less than £200 000 - when while, technically yes it is the club's liability, but if it had been anybody but ken bates who'd pushed for this action, they'd have been sacked for causing the club liability - and the club would have probably settled out of court, because they wouldn't have to defend the culprit. He's not put Leeds United in a financial position good enough to outweigh things like this, all the elements you consider when concluding that he's running a good business at Leeds, they are all potentials -there's no facts, just potentials, and those aren't looking great. The stadium redevelopment, I guarantee it will not pay for itself within any reasonable time frame. The Pavilion is losing money even after taking the cost of building it out of the equation. Yorkshire Radio? What's the point? It's losing money on something that is surplus to requirements and clearly just a ploy to get people subscribing to LUTV - and I guarantee LUTV is bringing in less money as a result than Yorkshire Radio is losing.
well Marko, fair enough, I have to say I do think there could be something fishy about KB, but it's not my business is it? - I just like to see the football with my kids, I do not want to be abused for what I beleive, regardless of what you do....
Then go about your business and don't try and argue a point that doesn't exist.
Either way there's going to be more unrest and protesting at Elland Road in the coming season. I fully expect it to all go wrong, it makes me sad.
Marko, chin up for God's sake
all the great football to come, Manc derby, an unexpected Chelsea vs munich final, Newcastle pushing 4th, Madrid 7 clear vs barca in La liga, Juventus vs Milan for Itlaian title..
the world is bigger than Ken Bates and your negetive life
I don't give a crap about football other than Leeds United. I don't go out and watch it unless it's Leeds.
And my life isn't negative, thanks. Just because I am sick of being treat like a second class citizen by my football club with no option of taking my custom elsewhere, and I am taking every opportunity to shout and scream about it (the only way we'll see any effect, accepting it and sitting back like you so religiously preach doesn't get anybody anywhere).
If we all listened to you it would all quieten down and we could all go back to enjoying poor football that's unlikely to improve regardless of how much money we're pulling in.
Marko, again Pal, the world is bigger than Bates
you say your life isn't negetive, so you abuse all who you don't agree with, swear in every post, or correspondance (that letter you wrote to Bates)
Come on Marko, chin up man
If you don't agree with me or anybody else for that matter fair enough, you have to understand we all have differences in opinion.
Re Bates being a millionaire but through your eyes as dodgy, well, why is that my business? - the fact is he has made himself rich, how he does it is no business of yours or mine, Ridsdale isn't a poor guy is he? - is he a good football chairman?
I remember a certain Italain politician inviting me to a meeting about the Camorra, and a plan of action... I said, why is this my problem? - it doesn't make any difference to me how a man makes his living, they leave my parts in Italy alone, and I don't get involved with any movements against them.... everybody is happy, and making money
You have a job on there Tusc... It's like pushing sand up a chimney with a fork in a very high wind...!
Good luck sunshine. He argued with me the other day for agreeing with him. I reckon he's the love child of you know who and thingy...!
He's not overly keen on Ken either...?
Re Bates being a millionaire but through your eyes as dodgy, well, why is that my business? - the fact is he has made himself rich, how he does it is no business of yours or mine, Ridsdale isn't a poor guy is he? - is he a good football chairman?
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that's exactly my point, you implied if he got money he must be a good businessman or he wouldn't get where he is. He's not, he's a terrible businessman and how he got to where he is was by ****ing over as many people as possible, which isn't that uncommon.
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posted on 25/4/12
Thats cheap PD you must be making plenty of money down in your neck of the woods
posted on 25/4/12
I'm sitting on a gold mine, lancs. That and genital herpes. x
posted on 25/4/12
Roz@NEU
This thread is, that's the question.
I agree entirely with you on your last point, it isn't our job, it is our passion, our choice. I do not go and yell my head off at the chairman or Harvey, I concentrate on what I pay to watch, the football. I want to be entertained as you do.
I see it as their job to entertain us!
IMO next season, with the correct backing, we might be entertained a bit more.
posted on 25/4/12
Cozer, I meant the obvious sarcasm in the post implying that we should all just shut up and "get behind the club" as "that's the way forward".
posted on 25/4/12
always that little modifier "with the correct backing", making the assumption that it's actually going to happen. What on earth makes you think that?
posted on 25/4/12
You really are a depressing little soul aren't you?
posted on 25/4/12
Mako: Thats why me and you will never be real supporters like Tusc and Onion.
posted on 25/4/12
Eric Onion
Cozer :
Following on to your question to MarkoLUFC can I ask you this - Do you think Bates is the club...?
I ask because I don't, I believe he is here only temporarily and will at some stage move on, but the club will remain, hopefully more financially secure than it was when he took over..
It is the club we support, I believe there is a difference between the supporting the club that is Leeds United and supporting Ken Bates who is merely the current custodian.
What do you think...?
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Onion: The present board are driving supporters away in their thousands, I really do believe we've lost at least 10,000 supporters due to the current boards ways. Yes we are just lending Bates our club but it really does scare me what kind of state he will hand it back in.
I was being sarcastic with my answer to Marko who I have a lot of time for.
posted on 25/4/12
If you'd spent any large amount of time on not606 you'd know I used to be one of the positive bunch, right up until I realised bates has sucked all the life out of the club. We're going nowhere with him in charge.
posted on 26/4/12
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posted on 26/4/12
BU DUM DUM TSHH
posted on 26/4/12
___posted 16 hours, 39 minutes ago
If anyone can tell me the whereabouts of Tuscany over the next few days.........................
____________________________________
OK Chaps Panic Over..........................
Roughly triangular in shape and situated between the northern part of the Tyrrhenian Sea, with some islands Tuscan Archipelago, and the central Apennines, Tuscany has an area of approximately 22,993 square kilometres (8,878 sq mi). Surrounded and crossed by major mountain chains, and with few (but fertile) plains, the region has a relief that is dominated by hilly country. Most of the work done here is farming. Whereas mountains cover 25% of the total area — 5,770 square kilometres (2,230 sq mi), and plains a mere 8.4% of the total area, almost all coinciding with the valley of the River Arno, summing for 1,930 square kilometres (750 sq mi), — overall hills make up two-thirds (66.5%) of the region's total area, covering 15,292 square kilometres (5,904 sq mi).
posted on 26/4/12
Cozer most beautiful too
posted on 26/4/12
Yes It looks it Tusc: No one bit last night when I first posted it. I was looking for a war
Some mates you've got.
posted on 26/4/12
Cozer
posted on 26/4/12
I just can't get it round my head how Tuscany, someone who claims to own a casino so knows some level of business success, can think bates is running a good business at Leeds...
A good businessman doesn't go to court over a case where he hasn't a leg to stand on because he can't keep his mouth shut, costing the business millions in legal fees that could be spent improving the primary operation of that business.
posted on 26/4/12
Marko
is there any other subject you'd like to talk about? other than Bates?
it just so happens I think this yes, what of it? we all have different opinions, maybe it is becasue Leeds are not my first team, fiorentina are, so maybe I look at it from a different angle? as regards to being a good business man, however he made it, he is a millionaire, correct? - thats my reasoning..
also, I note your tone, you have insulted me and others often for not agreeing with you. I suggest you either stop it, or come and see me in person to discuss it further.
posted on 26/4/12
Actually look up his business history, he's made his millions selling failing businesses that he got into masses of debt.
There's just too many factors that you appear to be completely ignoring. I've considered every angle, even the apparently positive aspects, I've considered it to death and can't come up with a rationale for being in favour of the current set up.
It's basically a case of "if you ignore the bad stuff he's doing then he's a good businessman".
I accept that people don't always get what they deserve, and sometimes people who have no business being in power somehow get there. Look at dictatorships.
It's like saying "well you can say Hitler was a terrible leader, but he got there for a reason so maybe not!"
The harassment case for example - spending millions of pounds of club money pursuing a case he's no chance of winning over a matter of less than £200 000 - when while, technically yes it is the club's liability, but if it had been anybody but ken bates who'd pushed for this action, they'd have been sacked for causing the club liability - and the club would have probably settled out of court, because they wouldn't have to defend the culprit. He's not put Leeds United in a financial position good enough to outweigh things like this, all the elements you consider when concluding that he's running a good business at Leeds, they are all potentials -there's no facts, just potentials, and those aren't looking great. The stadium redevelopment, I guarantee it will not pay for itself within any reasonable time frame. The Pavilion is losing money even after taking the cost of building it out of the equation. Yorkshire Radio? What's the point? It's losing money on something that is surplus to requirements and clearly just a ploy to get people subscribing to LUTV - and I guarantee LUTV is bringing in less money as a result than Yorkshire Radio is losing.
posted on 26/4/12
well Marko, fair enough, I have to say I do think there could be something fishy about KB, but it's not my business is it? - I just like to see the football with my kids, I do not want to be abused for what I beleive, regardless of what you do....
posted on 26/4/12
Then go about your business and don't try and argue a point that doesn't exist.
Either way there's going to be more unrest and protesting at Elland Road in the coming season. I fully expect it to all go wrong, it makes me sad.
posted on 26/4/12
Marko, chin up for God's sake
all the great football to come, Manc derby, an unexpected Chelsea vs munich final, Newcastle pushing 4th, Madrid 7 clear vs barca in La liga, Juventus vs Milan for Itlaian title..
the world is bigger than Ken Bates and your negetive life
posted on 26/4/12
I don't give a crap about football other than Leeds United. I don't go out and watch it unless it's Leeds.
And my life isn't negative, thanks. Just because I am sick of being treat like a second class citizen by my football club with no option of taking my custom elsewhere, and I am taking every opportunity to shout and scream about it (the only way we'll see any effect, accepting it and sitting back like you so religiously preach doesn't get anybody anywhere).
If we all listened to you it would all quieten down and we could all go back to enjoying poor football that's unlikely to improve regardless of how much money we're pulling in.
posted on 26/4/12
Marko, again Pal, the world is bigger than Bates
you say your life isn't negetive, so you abuse all who you don't agree with, swear in every post, or correspondance (that letter you wrote to Bates)
Come on Marko, chin up man
If you don't agree with me or anybody else for that matter fair enough, you have to understand we all have differences in opinion.
Re Bates being a millionaire but through your eyes as dodgy, well, why is that my business? - the fact is he has made himself rich, how he does it is no business of yours or mine, Ridsdale isn't a poor guy is he? - is he a good football chairman?
I remember a certain Italain politician inviting me to a meeting about the Camorra, and a plan of action... I said, why is this my problem? - it doesn't make any difference to me how a man makes his living, they leave my parts in Italy alone, and I don't get involved with any movements against them.... everybody is happy, and making money
posted on 26/4/12
You have a job on there Tusc... It's like pushing sand up a chimney with a fork in a very high wind...!
Good luck sunshine. He argued with me the other day for agreeing with him. I reckon he's the love child of you know who and thingy...!
He's not overly keen on Ken either...?
posted on 26/4/12
Re Bates being a millionaire but through your eyes as dodgy, well, why is that my business? - the fact is he has made himself rich, how he does it is no business of yours or mine, Ridsdale isn't a poor guy is he? - is he a good football chairman?
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that's exactly my point, you implied if he got money he must be a good businessman or he wouldn't get where he is. He's not, he's a terrible businessman and how he got to where he is was by ****ing over as many people as possible, which isn't that uncommon.
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